Vitali's best fights are losses - this is the recognized champ?

[guru]

unlike th other champs, VK has 2 losses, but yet to be beaten.... byrd has been KTFO and soundly beaten.... ruiz has been KTFO and thoroughly beaten..... brewster has been soundly beaten.... rahman has been KTFO on several occasions... VK has never been down or way behind on the score cards....

[Neuraxis]

Unlike the other belt holders, Vitali hardly loses a round, and his only close fight was against Lewis, and we all remember how lopsided the fight was before Lewis was fighting a one eyed Vitali. Also remember it takes more than 7 lbs for someone who is 6'5'' to become all of the sudden fat and out of shape. I think it had more to do with age and Vitali's style and activity (he threw 40 jabs and 70 punches per round).

Corrie Sanders: I take it you haven't seen the Rahman fight? Sanders gave Rahman a run for his money. He KD and nearly knocked him over the ropes, as well as dominating the early rounds before he flamed out as usual.

Kirk Johnson: Is Ruiz's only good win and its a DQ.

Larry Donald: VK was the first one to stop him. Bowe couldn't do it and Kirk Johnson only beat him 112-116, 113-115, 110-118.

Vaughn Bean: VK also the first one to stop him. Have you seen the Bean v. Holyfield fight? It was surprising close at times. Holyfield beat him 110-117, 110-117, 111-116. He lost to Moorer 113-116, 113-115, 114-114. His only other loss was in his last fight to Tony Thompson. I know nothing about this guy, but Boxrec has him ranked 21.

Timo Hoffman: Lost to Sprott but beat him in his next fight and his loss to Akinwande was a SD.

Herbie Hide: Bowe did KD Hide 7 times, but it took him nearly 6 rounds to finish him, and in doing so he lost at least 2 rounds to him on every scorecard. That's 3 rounds for Bowe, 2 rounds for Hide. Take away the KD's and you have yourself a close fight.

Danny Williams: Don't forget his loss to Sam.

[neils7147933]

Oh look, another Vitali hater...how original.

A sizeable thread with many examples is followed with the even more unoriginal dismissal as a "hater" post.

Why do you even take the time to respond if all you can come up with is the equivalent to "nuh-uh". Try varying your posts from now on. Mix your "hater" stuff in with some other phrases that the mainstream has taken and ruined.

Next time you don't agree with me, perhaps "talk to the hand" or "don't go there" or "you ain't all that girlfriend". It's easier on the eyes to have more than one incompetent argument.

Neuraxis had a good rebuttal post. You did not.

[MetalVomit]

Unlike the other belt holders, Vitali hardly loses a round, and his only close fight was against Lewis, and we all remember how lopsided the fight was before Lewis was fighting a one eyed Vitali. Also remember it takes more than 7 lbs for someone who is 6'5'' to become all of the sudden fat and out of shape. I think it had more to do with age and Vitali's style and activity (he threw 40 jabs and 70 punches per round).

Corrie Sanders: I take it you haven't seen the Rahman fight? Sanders gave Rahman a run for his money. He KD and nearly knocked him over the ropes, as well as dominating the early rounds before he flamed out as usual.

Kirk Johnson: Is Ruiz's only good win and its a DQ.

Larry Donald: VK was the first one to stop him. Bowe couldn't do it and Kirk Johnson only beat him 112-116, 113-115, 110-118.

Vaughn Bean: VK also the first one to stop him. Have you seen the Bean v. Holyfield fight? It was surprising close at times. Holyfield beat him 110-117, 110-117, 111-116. He lost to Moorer 113-116, 113-115, 114-114. His only other loss was in his last fight to Tony Thompson. I know nothing about this guy, but Boxrec has him ranked 21.

Timo Hoffman: Lost to Sprott but beat him in his next fight and his loss to Akinwande was a SD.

Herbie Hide: Bowe did KD Hide 7 times, but it took him nearly 6 rounds to finish him, and in doing so he lost at least 2 rounds to him on every scorecard. That's 3 rounds for Bowe, 2 rounds for Hide. Take away the KD's and you have yourself a close fight.

Danny Williams: Don't forget his loss to Sam.

very, very nice.

[abdiel2k3]

OK, so why are we all to believe that Vitali Klitschko is the TRUE heavyweight champion of the world? Why are there people on this board that would pick Vitali against any other heavyweight out there.

The guy was up on points when he LOST to former WBC champion Lennox Lewis (who was out-of-shape and on the brink of retirement) and current IBF champion Chris Byrd (who took the fight on a week's notice). He had more points at the time of the stoppages.

But which one of these wins is supposed to impress me? It's easy to see why Wlad was considered better; he has wins over Monte Barrett, Jameel McCline, Chris Byrd, and Ray Mercer.

Here are the last 10 victims of the guy HBO and the Ring magazine want you to believe is the "real champ":

Corrie Sanders - Since November of 2001, this guy has fought just one guy not named Klitschko. The semi-retired overweight golf pro only still had a name because he beat Wladimir, which was a lot more impressive before Brewster did it too. Corrie was KO'd by Hasim Rahman in 2000 and was also KO'd by Nate Tubbs. He has no wins of note other than Wlad.

Kirk Johnson - a 260 lb ball of fat.

Larry Donald - on life support by Don King. Ranked 49 by Boxing Rec. Never beat anyone either.

Vaughn Bean - I only know this guy's name because Holyfield whipped him too. He never beat anyone of note. (see a pattern here?)

Ross Purritty - The dude has 17 losses. Everytime he fights anyone good he loses (he did fight Tommy Morrison to a draw!) He lost to Michael Grant, Hasim Rahman, the Danish Pastry Brian Nielsen, Sanders and Donald, Chris Byrd... This guy's picture is next to "tomato can" in the boxing dictionary. At least he beat Wlad...

Orlin Norris - famous for tripping over Tyson's foot and breaking his ankle. Also lost to Henry Akinwande, Andrew Golota, that pesky Danish Pastry, Tony Tucker, and Bert Cooper

Timo Hoffmann - this guy was undefeated when he fought Vitali. Since then he's lost to Michael Sprott and Akinwande. Boxing Rec ranks him 26

Obed Sullivan - Journeyman who made it 11 rounds with Vitali. David Tua knocked him out in 51 seconds. Fres Oquendo also TKO'd him.

Ed Mahone - looked like a good prospect coming into the fight. He was undefeated; since then he won a fight over Mario Cawley and has been exposed with three losses to guys with a combined record of 62-15-2, including a KO loss to 8-lossed Terrence Lewis. Appears to be retired after the losing streak.

Herbie Hide - Vitali KO'd him. Wow; Rid**** Bowe dropped this bum 7 times in their fight.

It looks like Vitali is fighting Danny Williams, who was unknown prior to lasting 5 rounds and taking advantage of an injured Tyson and has a loss to Julius Francis on his resume. If Vitali conquers that "hurdle", then who? Maybe DaVarryl Williamson? This cleaning up little brother's unfinished business is getting old.

C'mon, Vit. The Heavyweight Division is in shambles. Fight somebody already. A champion, a former champion, someone who has 20+ wins in THE UNITED STATES, someone who has been in shape since after the Y2K scare.

Then maybe the elder Klitschko will have earned the respect that too many people on this site give the guy. Saying he runs through Rahman, Ruiz, Toney, Tua and Tyson after going through this not-so-distinguished list of opponents seems a bit naive.

ok now post the "impressive" records or record of the guy you belive is the tru champ
go ahead include lewis his opponents werent all that impressive
and are you dumb u dont factor in losses after they fought a guy
that only helps to make him look good
most fighters arent the same after losin much less being ko'd which is more often the case with Vit

[psychopath]

Hey neils I'll just stick to the basic and logical reason on this one . . . for me irregardless of how many loses or K.O.s a fighter has on his records . . . . if he wins a belt then that makes him a champion. And should be regarded as one.

[JOM'S]

I think Vitali is on top of heap coz, really nobody out there is showing they are better than Vit....

[JOM'S]

Just a question if not Vitali who else can claim they are the best heavy weight today....

[tracylee]

OK, so why are we all to believe that Vitali Klitschko is the TRUE heavyweight champion of the world? Why are there people on this board that would pick Vitali against any other heavyweight out there.

The guy was up on points when he LOST to former WBC champion Lennox Lewis (who was out-of-shape and on the brink of retirement) and current IBF champion Chris Byrd (who took the fight on a week's notice). He had more points at the time of the stoppages.

But which one of these wins is supposed to impress me? It's easy to see why Wlad was considered better; he has wins over Monte Barrett, Jameel McCline, Chris Byrd, and Ray Mercer.

Here are the last 10 victims of the guy HBO and the Ring magazine want you to believe is the "real champ":

Corrie Sanders - Since November of 2001, this guy has fought just one guy not named Klitschko. The semi-retired overweight golf pro only still had a name because he beat Wladimir, which was a lot more impressive before Brewster did it too. Corrie was KO'd by Hasim Rahman in 2000 and was also KO'd by Nate Tubbs. He has no wins of note other than Wlad.

Kirk Johnson - a 260 lb ball of fat.

Larry Donald - on life support by Don King. Ranked 49 by Boxing Rec. Never beat anyone either.

Vaughn Bean - I only know this guy's name because Holyfield whipped him too. He never beat anyone of note. (see a pattern here?)

Ross Purritty - The dude has 17 losses. Everytime he fights anyone good he loses (he did fight Tommy Morrison to a draw!) He lost to Michael Grant, Hasim Rahman, the Danish Pastry Brian Nielsen, Sanders and Donald, Chris Byrd... This guy's picture is next to "tomato can" in the boxing dictionary. At least he beat Wlad...

Orlin Norris - famous for tripping over Tyson's foot and breaking his ankle. Also lost to Henry Akinwande, Andrew Golota, that pesky Danish Pastry, Tony Tucker, and Bert Cooper

Timo Hoffmann - this guy was undefeated when he fought Vitali. Since then he's lost to Michael Sprott and Akinwande. Boxing Rec ranks him 26

Obed Sullivan - Journeyman who made it 11 rounds with Vitali. David Tua knocked him out in 51 seconds. Fres Oquendo also TKO'd him.

Ed Mahone - looked like a good prospect coming into the fight. He was undefeated; since then he won a fight over Mario Cawley and has been exposed with three losses to guys with a combined record of 62-15-2, including a KO loss to 8-lossed Terrence Lewis. Appears to be retired after the losing streak.

Herbie Hide - Vitali KO'd him. Wow; Rid**** Bowe dropped this bum 7 times in their fight.

It looks like Vitali is fighting Danny Williams, who was unknown prior to lasting 5 rounds and taking advantage of an injured Tyson and has a loss to Julius Francis on his resume. If Vitali conquers that "hurdle", then who? Maybe DaVarryl Williamson? This cleaning up little brother's unfinished business is getting old.

C'mon, Vit. The Heavyweight Division is in shambles. Fight somebody already. A champion, a former champion, someone who has 20+ wins in THE UNITED STATES, someone who has been in shape since after the Y2K scare.

Then maybe the elder Klitschko will have earned the respect that too many people on this site give the guy. Saying he runs through Rahman, Ruiz, Toney, Tua and Tyson after going through this not-so-distinguished list of opponents seems a bit naive.

Well, when you put it THAT way...looks pretty grim..

[Neuraxis]

Well that wasn't surprising.