BoxRec: TOP HEAVYWEIGHTS EVER.

[The Noose]

1 Muhammad Ali US American 2,029 1960 - 1981 56-5-0

2 Joe Louis US American 1,570 1934 - 1951 69-3-0

3 Gene Tunney US American 1,494 1915 - 1928 82-1-3

4 Rocky Marciano US American 1,375 1947 - 1955 49-0-0

5 Evander Holyfield US American 1,054 1984 - 2007 41-8-2

6 Larry Holmes US American 1,037 1973 - 2002 69-6-0

7 Floyd Patterson US American 974 1952 - 1972 55-8-1

8 Harry Wills US American 974 1911 - 1932 79-10-4

9 Lennox Lewis British 957 1989 - 2003 41-2-1

10 Jack Dempsey US American 929 1914 - 1927 66-6-11

11 Mike Tyson US American 929 1985 - 2005 50-6-0

12 Jack Johnson US American 926 1894 - 1938 92-14-11

13 George Foreman US American 849 1969 - 1997 76-5-0

14 Jersey Joe Walcott US American 843 1930 - 1953 51-18-2

15 Jack Sharkey US American 826 1924 - 1936 38-14-3

16 Joe Frazier US American 804 1965 - 1981 32-4-1

17 Sonny Liston US American 796 1953 - 1970 50-4-0

18 James Toney US American 779 1988 - 2007 69-6-3

19 Billy Miske US American 774 1913 - 1923 73-16-13

20 Ezzard Charles US American 758 1940 - 1959 90-25-1

21 Primo Carnera Italian 734 1928 - 1946 89-15-0

22 Max Baer US American 707 1929 - 1941 71-13-0

23 Sam Langford Canadian 690 1902 - 1926 200-47-46

24 Rid**** Bowe US American 688 1989 - 2005 42-1-0

[micky_knox]

whats toney ever done at H/W?

[DeathFromAbove]

Who actually makes the decisions on things like this at box rec , i totally dont understand their points system

[Southpaw Stinger]

yeah they seem to change them quite a lot. don't know how they come up with them. How can Harry Wills and Floyd patterson be higher than Lewis, Tyson and Foreman?

[DeathFromAbove]

One thing that winds me up about box rec is all of a sudden a fighter who hasnt fought or have any fighters around him but he will jump up 4 places in their ratings . Chris Byrd is and example that springs to mind. I mean what the hell is that about

[Steelhammer86]

Sometimes BoxRec ratings don't make sense. They have Evander Holyfield, who lost to Moorer, Ruiz, Toney, Bowe, Lewis and others, as #5 of all time, ahead of Lennox Lewis. Holyfield should not be in the top ten.

I like the way they recognize Gene Tunney as #3, however. Joe Louis, Gene Tunney and Rocky Marciano should all be ranked ahead of Muhammed Ali, if they rank them by computer. Ali lost twice in his prime, ages 29 and 31, Louis won every fight between age 23 and 35. The excuse of Ali being inactive for awhile doesn't hold any water, because Joe Louis was also inactive for some time as he went overseas to fight in WW 2, but he still won all his fights for a few years afterwards, until age caught up with him.

1. Joe Louis
2. Rocky Marciano
3. Gene Tunney
4. Muhammed Ali

[ben41193]

their points systym is realy confusing.

[Derranged_]

I wouldn't put alot of credence in boxrec's ranking system, it's based an statistical formulas that could rank Tony Tubbs as the top hw if certain variables are present.

Having said that, Boxrec is a great database for looking up fighter's records and scheduled up coming fights.

[Southpaw Stinger]

Sometimes BoxRec ratings don't make sense. They have Evander Holyfield, who lost to Moorer, Ruiz, Toney, Bowe, Lewis and others, as #5 of all time, ahead of Lennox Lewis. Holyfield should not be in the top ten.

I like the way they recognize Gene Tunney as #3, however. Joe Louis, Gene Tunney and Rocky Marciano should all be ranked ahead of Muhammed Ali, if they rank them by computer. Ali lost twice in his prime, ages 29 and 31, Louis won every fight between age 23 and 35. The excuse of Ali being inactive for awhile doesn't hold any water, because Joe Louis was also inactive for some time as he went overseas to fight in WW 2, but he still won all his fights for a few years afterwards, until age caught up with him.

1. Joe Louis
2. Rocky Marciano
3. Gene Tunney
4. Muhammed Ali

you cannot define prime by age. Ali's prime was in the mid to late 60's but he was banned during his best years. When he came back he clearly was not as good as he was earlier.

[The Noose]

Boxing is so subjective.
Point systems when establishing rank just doesnt work.