Oscar Vs Floyd, similarities Toney Vs Peter

[drh]

I'm leaving myself open for big counter shots, but here's my theory on Oscar Vs Floyd.

To me it follows an old theory, "An OK big guy beats a good little guy."

That's a sound theory, but here's where I'm taking a gamble with my audience, as I liken this bout to Toney Vs Peter.

Toney was simply too small and lacked physical strength to successfully employ his sit in the pocket, shoulder roll, counter punching style, because the bigger stronger Peter kept him off balance with his ramming style jab (singles, doubles and even the odd triple jab).

Everyone's talking about Oscar's left hook, about it being his best chance, but I reckon his strength & jab is Mayweathers biggest stumbling block, as was Peters to Toney.

In this fight, Mayweather's lack of physical size may see his style come undone.

I don’t think he's strong/big enough to sit in the pocket, offer his shoulder, just ride his jab and counter. If Oscar uses the jab effectively (singles, doubles, triples), it has the potential to keep him off balance, and make it a very awkward night for Mayweather.

I'll now cover up on the ropes and take your barrage.

[pbftxrs316]

I'm leaving myself open for big counter shots, but here's my theory on Oscar Vs Floyd.

To me it follows an old theory, "An OK big guy beats a good little guy."

That's a sound theory, but here's where I'm taking a gamble with my audience, as I liken this bout to Toney Vs Peter.

Toney was simply too small and lacked physical strength to successfully employ his sit in the pocket, shoulder roll, counter punching style, because the bigger stronger Peter kept him off balance with his ramming style jab (singles, doubles and even the odd triple jab).

Everyone's talking about Oscar's left hook, about it being his best chance, but I reckon his strength & jab is Mayweathers biggest stumbling block, as was Peters to Toney.

In this fight, Mayweather's lack of physical size may see his style come undone.

I don’t think he's strong/big enough to sit in the pocket, offer his shoulder, just ride his jab and counter. If Oscar uses the jab effectively (singles, doubles, triples), it has the potential to keep him off balance, and make it a very awkward night for Mayweather.

I'll now cover up on the ropes and take your barrage.

this is a respectable argument. i can see why you you would post this. but, let's remember, toney was out of shape looking, lacked the stamina imo that he used to have in his prime, and just his mindset looked a little flaky. with floyd, he always in great physical shape, great stamina, and his mindset is damn near flawless imo. also, many people believed that toney won the 1st against peter, but i do agree that because of his flaws during that fight, that's all it took for the judges to lean the scores peter's way. and, peter was younger than toney was, and had less experience, and floyd is younger than oscar and may be in the prime of his career, at least in the mental aspect of it anyway. the way floyd trains for a fight gets him this way, so this is why i disagree with your overall post, but i do understand where you're coming from. floyd imo is a much smarter fighter than oscar, and will be prepared for oscar's ring cutoff, and his overall sheer stregnth over floyd. remember, floyd spars with junior middleweights and middleweights, so i'm sure he'll be prepared, and i'm sure oscar will be prepared for floyd's speed, but floyd imo will confuse oscar with his overall gameplan, and it's up to oscar to figure it out, and it could happen to floyd also. i just don't see oscar defeating floyd mayweather. many thought that peter would beat toney anyway, and many feel that floyd will beat oscar. he's the betting favorite as peter was if i recall right, i don't remember really.

[DLT]

To me its not the same because I dont even think you can really say that argument even works for Peter/Toney. I dont think that most people think that was a size thing. or let me change that: Most people think it was a size thing but it was Toney's size that was the problem. He was just fat and out of shape. He's been like that before but these lately he has been totally out of shape and he's old.

I dont think Peter wouldve beat the Toney that originaly moved up to HW. Toney is just basically washed up now. The size was a huge factor only because Toney was fat, slower, out of shape, and old

[ReadyUp]

I see your point.

But it's not the shoulder roll and defense that will defeat Oscar.

If Floyd comes away with the W it's going to be because of his legs. He's a mover, can't really say the same for Toney.

[drh]

this is a respectable argument. i can see why you you would post this. but, let's remember, toney was out of shape looking, lacked the stamina imo that he used to have in his prime, and just his mindset looked a little flaky. with floyd, he always in great physical shape, great stamina, and his mindset is damn near flawless imo. also, many people believed that toney won the 1st against peter, but i do agree that because of his flaws during that fight, that's all it took for the judges to lean the scores peter's way. and, peter was younger than toney was, and had less experience, and floyd is younger than oscar and may be in the prime of his career, at least in the mental aspect of it anyway. the way floyd trains for a fight gets him this way, so this is why i disagree with your overall post, but i do understand where you're coming from. floyd imo is a much smarter fighter than oscar, and will be prepared for oscar's ring cutoff, and his overall sheer stregnth over floyd. remember, floyd spars with junior middleweights and middleweights, so i'm sure he'll be prepared, and i'm sure oscar will be prepared for floyd's speed, but floyd imo will confuse oscar with his overall gameplan, and it's up to oscar to figure it out, and it could happen to floyd also. i just don't see oscar defeating floyd mayweather. many thought that peter would beat toney anyway, and many feel that floyd will beat oscar. he's the betting favorite as peter was if i recall right, i don't remember really.

Good points, thanks for the reply.
Personally I don't think JT's conditioning was the big factor in his fights with Peter. I've seen him in worse shape (i.e. guinn and ruiz) and still dominate.

[GunStar]

Actually Toney was robbed in the first Peter fight, most people and 99% of the press had Toney winnning the first fight.

Toney either got old in the second Peter fight or maybe it was Billy Blanks.

The difference between Toney and PBF is Toney's prime weight was 160 and he was fighting a guy that was over 250. Toney is an overweight guy in the heavyweight divison but PBF is still in great shape at 154.

PBF prime weight was 130 and he's fighting a guy who's best weight probably was 140 in Oscar, yes this fight is at 154, Oscar did fight at 160 and he's probably more comfortable fighting now at 154.

Peter is a monster puncher in the heavyweight divison, I don't see Oscar being a monster puncher at 154. People make too much out of the Mayorga win!

[realheavyhands]

[deliveryman]

I'm leaving myself open for big counter shots, but here's my theory on Oscar Vs Floyd.

To me it follows an old theory, "An OK big guy beats a good little guy."

That's a sound theory, but here's where I'm taking a gamble with my audience, as I liken this bout to Toney Vs Peter.

Toney was simply too small and lacked physical strength to successfully employ his sit in the pocket, shoulder roll, counter punching style, because the bigger stronger Peter kept him off balance with his ramming style jab (singles, doubles and even the odd triple jab).

Everyone's talking about Oscar's left hook, about it being his best chance, but I reckon his strength & jab is Mayweathers biggest stumbling block, as was Peters to Toney.

In this fight, Mayweather's lack of physical size may see his style come undone.

I don’t think he's strong/big enough to sit in the pocket, offer his shoulder, just ride his jab and counter. If Oscar uses the jab effectively (singles, doubles, triples), it has the potential to keep him off balance, and make it a very awkward night for Mayweather.

I'll now cover up on the ropes and take your barrage.

What makes you think Floyd will fight this fight inside the pocket?

If anything, Floyd will be pop shotting and moving out of range for 12 rounds. Floyd's footwork is going to win him this fight, not staying in the pocket with Oscar, slipping and rolling punches.

I really don't see where you're getting this from.