Gerry Penalosa's Wife Claims Robbery

[JOM'S]

I'm not saying that you don't score those things. I'm only saying that you can only score them round by round, not as a combined whole. You can't look at the end of a fight and say that Fighter X won because he landed more punches than Fighter Y. It doesn't always work out that way. Same with KDs. I had Marquez beating Pac even though he was KD'd three times and Pac didn't see the canvas. Why? Because we score individual rounds.

They are to be taken individually. I'll give you a few examples:

Say fighter A and fighter B finish a fight. Here are the compubox numbers:

Fighter A: Thrown: 750 Landed: 250 / PP Thrown: 650 Landed: 200
Fighter B: Thrown: 1000 Landed: 320 / PP Thrown: 700 Landed: 250

Now, you would probably say that Fighter B won the fight because he landed more punches and he landed more power punches, right? Well, you could be wrong. Why, well what if Fighter B threw twice the punches as Fighter A in 6 rounds and 2/3ds the punches in the following 6 rounds. One fighter ends up with more punches thrown but doesn't necessarily win all the rounds necessary. Throw in a point deduction or a KD and Fighter B now is behind Fighter A in points.

You get points in individual rounds and the stats from one round do not affect the scoring of the next. If fighter A throws 30 punches and connects 15 in round 1 while Fighter B throws 100 punches and connects 45, you would probably give the round to fighter B because he did more damage. That's cool. But what if in round 2 Fighter A throws 50 punches and connects 30 while Fighter B throws 60 punches and connects 20? You would probably give the round to fighter A, right? So now the scores are tied but if you look at compubox numbers Fighter A would be 45/80 and Fighter B would be 65/160.

You would look at the compubox numbers and say Fighter B is winning the fight but he's not, it's tied up in points.

That's why it's not the fighter who wins more rounds, or has more KDs, or throws more punches, or lands more punches that wins a fight. You have to take everything into consideration and score points, add them up, and whomever has more at the end of the fight is the person who wins.

If you don't understand this then you need to go back to 2nd grade.

actually you dont necessarily have give and score the round to a fighter for landing more punches cuz it does not ALWAYS means that he did MORE DAMAGE for example fighter A landed 20 punches all clean power punches and fighter B on the defensive for all the round landed 30 punches all clean jabs now who did the more damage?? i would say most probably fighter A ...

its not only the AMOUNT of punches landed but also the EFFECTIVITY of the punches landed should be put into consideration

and just like you said there a lot of things to put into consideration in scoring a round as a matter of fact we also could score aggresiveness and defense..

if you dont understand this MAYBE YOU should GO to SECOND GRADE with ME... LOL

[flipside]

You can see how he won the fight? No no, the short black guy is Steve Forbes, not Gerri Penalosa! That must be the fight you're talking about because Gerri won ONE round, the second, and he was lucky to win that! He got SCHOOLED by an indio. By an INDIO! And one with no style.

If percentages won fights I'd connect my first jab and dance all night long. Then I'd have 100% and win every fight. Unfortunately, the guy who scores more points wins the fight. It's not the guy who lands more punches; it's not the guy who lands the harder punches; it's not the guy who knocks down his opponent a few times, either. You have to score points by winning rounds.

If anyone honestly thinks that Gerri won more than two rounds then you must take off you're Pinoy Goggles (or your Mexican-Hater Goggles) and watch the fight in an unbiased manner.

funny how you used the word indio

[JOM'S]

I watched that fight.....Penalosa while no slouch was far from winning that fight.

although i dont agree with the scores of the judges (1;12-0 & 2; 11-1), i can honestly say Ponce did a good job defending his championship ...

in my most unbiased eyes (lol) its REALLY much closer to 8-4 for Ponce..

now if I will give Gerry the rounds he STOLE, it will be a different story ... he he

but enough with this ... now I WANT TO SEE the 122 champions UNIFY the belts

[JOM'S]

funny how you used the word indio

lol I did not catch that ...

and its really funny, cuz Pinoys were called INDIOs by the Spanish Colonizer...

[satori555]

gerry made ponce look like a damn fool constantly swinging those long stringbean arms wildly and hitting nothing but air. i wonder how this reject got 28 knockouts. how are rafeal marquez and ponce in the same division they arent even in the same sport. marquez is a boxer, ponce is a caveman **** him

[JOM'S]

gerry made ponce look like a damn fool constantly swinging those long stringbean arms wildly and hitting nothing but air. i wonder how this reject got 28 knockouts. how are rafeal marquez and ponce in the same division they arent even in the same sport. marquez is a boxer, ponce is a caveman **** him

I previously consider Vasquez as the Top dog at 122 ...

but now RAFA is the MAN!! i like to see him unify the belts, aside from Vasquez I think that only Caballero can make some kind of a challenge ...

[PRboxingfan]

actually you dont necessarily have give and score the round to a fighter for landing more punches cuz it does not ALWAYS means that he did MORE DAMAGE for example fighter A landed 20 punches all clean power punches and fighter B on the defensive for all the round landed 30 punches all clean jabs now who did the more damage?? i would say most probably fighter A ...

its not only the AMOUNT of punches landed but also the EFFECTIVITY of the punches landed should be put into consideration

and just like you said there a lot of things to put into consideration in scoring a round as a matter of fact we also could score aggresiveness and defense..

if you dont understand this MAYBE YOU should GO to SECOND GRADE with ME... LOL

You're right. I was assuming all power punches when I quoted that stat. I just didn't feel like typing out more than I absolutely had to.

Rounds are scored, individually, based on the following four criteria:
1. Ring Generalship
2. Clean/Effective punching
3. Effective Aggressiveness
4. Defense

Different judges rank these four things differently and assign some more importance than others. That's fine so long as all four are used in scoring a round. Some like Clean/Effective punching more than Aggressiveness and some favor Aggressiveness over Ring Generalship. That's cool, but you should always consider them all.

That's why I seldom score an even round. There is always a distinguishing factor. One fighter being the aggressor, or controlling the tempo, or having better defense, or connecting more punches.

I learned all this in second grade so, if anything, I need to go back to third grade, lol.

BTW, in Puerto Rico (and other Spanish-speaking countries), we use the words indio (or jibaro in PR and Panama) the same way Americans use hillbilly or hick. It means some dumb country bastard.

Pinoys were called indios for the same reason that the native people in the Americas were called indios.

[JOM'S]

You're right. I was assuming all power punches when I quoted that stat. I just didn't feel like typing out more than I absolutely had to.

Rounds are scored, individually, based on the following four criteria:
1. Ring Generalship
2. Clean/Effective punching
3. Effective Aggressiveness
4. Defense

Different judges rank these four things differently and assign some more importance than others. That's fine so long as all four are used in scoring a round. Some like Clean/Effective punching more than Aggressiveness and some favor Aggressiveness over Ring Generalship. That's cool, but you should always consider them all.

That's why I seldom score an even round. There is always a distinguishing factor. One fighter being the aggressor, or controlling the tempo, or having better defense, or connecting more punches.

I learned all this in second grade so, if anything, I need to go back to third grade, lol.

BTW, in Puerto Rico (and other Spanish-speaking countries), we use the words indio (or jibaro in PR and Panama) the same way Americans use hillbilly or hick. It means some dumb country bastard.

Pinoys were called indios for the same reason that the native people in the Americas were called indios.

now that i think we agreed on how to score, but i still think we still do score a fight differently cuz we see the fight differently case in point the deleon-penalosa fight ...

you see it as 11-1 on my most unbiased scoring its 8-4, ponce took Effective Aggresiveness for all the rounds and i see penalosa took defense for all the rounds, these two criteria for me nullifies each other, for ring generalship i can give both guys 6 round each and now what's left is clean/effective punching and depending on the way I choose to judge what I see, it would give me a different winner ...

my 8-4 score for Ponce, I swayed my judging on the volume of landed punches rather than the eye catching hits...

ps. i am not really sure how the spanish used "indio" for us Pinoys, but it was intended to put us in place as the lowest among the social classes during the time they colonize the Philippines, they did not even bother teaching the indios (native pinoys) how to speak spanish ....

[Piggu]

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[miron_lang]

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Sam Soliman whipped Winky Wright; Carlos Baldomir outhustled Floyd Mayweather Jr.; Oscar De La Hoya wisely danced the last four rounds against Felix Trinidad. And Evander Holyfield was jobbed when he drew with Lennox Lewis in their first match. If anyone agrees with these statements, they probably also think that WBO super bantamweight champion Ponce de Leon deservedly won 34 of 36 rounds on the scorecards of Nelson Vazquez, Chuck Giampa, and Dave Moretti when he faced Gerry Penalosa on Saturday night in Las Vegas.

I will say it right off: I think Penalosa beat Ponce De Leon, and I have the score to back it up. I had it 115-113 Penalosa, a much more credible score than any given by the judges. This score is in agreement or near agreement with many of the writers who have already chimed in on this fight. Our own editor in chief, Doug Fischer had it 116-112; many more had similar scores. Some may protest that ESPN’s Dan Rafael and many other ringsiders had it 115-113 De Leon, so how can we be in agreement? Only two rounds separate us. We were in the same ballpark.

I’m sure writers like Rafael who had it close but for de Leon could have a discussion with me about it and agree that maybe we saw a few rounds differently because of our own biases for styles, technique, or what have you. But I couldn’t have such a conversation with any of the judges who scored 34 of 36 rounds for de Leon. It would be like arguing with a guy who said it was great that Hamlet made it through everything in the fifth act and was finally made king.

What was the deal with the judges? Maybe they thought Penalosa was an old and used up has-been being beaten by an up and coming superstar waiting for better things. Maybe they thought that because almost all Penalosa’s fights were in Asia none of them were real victories. Maybe they thought that since he lost the WBC title nearly ten years ago and couldn’t gain it back in three tries, he really was just another body brought in from the East to fatten the record of a North American based boxer. In sum, maybe they thought that he was just another run of the mill pug who had an alphabet title at one time.

If they thought that they were wrong. Coming into the fight against Ponce de Leon, Penalosa had five losses and over fifty wins on his record and an age of 34. But what went down in four of those losses shows what a great fighter he was and given his performance against Ponce De Leon, still is.

Those four losses came against two Korean opponents: In Joo Cho and Masamori Tokuyama, the two mainstays of the WBC junior bantamweight championship since 1998. After winning the WBC title from Hiroshi Kawashima in Japan and defending it three times, Penalosa was challenged in Korea by undefeated In Joo Cho, a good boxer, though with a skittish style. In their first fight, Penalosa lost a split decision that would have been a draw if one round was scored differently. A year later in early 2000, he again went to Korea and lost another split decision to Cho.

After Tokuyama took care of Cho twice to win the title, the second fight via vicious knockout, Penalosa faced the ethnic Korean Tokuyama fighting out of his country of residence, Japan. These fights were just as close as the Cho bouts. Penalosa lost both fights in Japan via razor-thin split decision. They were so razor-thin that if one round had been changed in their 2000 bout, it’s a draw; if one round were changed in their 2001 bout, it’s a win for Penalosa. If Penalosa had fought anywhere else than those fighters’ home turfs, he might very well have said he hadn’t lost since 1992. Those are the four losses that compelled HBO to proclaim loud and clear that Penalosa was 0-4 in his last four title fights; hence, they insisted, he was clearly a fighter who has stayed around too long.

When the Ponce de Leon-Gerry Penalosa fight begins, Ponce de Leon has the edge in the first round, ripping shots to the body and using an effective right hook under Penalosa’s elbow. It is a typical round for Ponce de Leon. But in the second round, something changes. Penalosa shows that he used the first round to take the measure of Ponce de Leon. He begins throwing counters and at the end of the second catches Ponce de Leon with a hook that staggers him. By the fourth, Ponce de Leon, the take no prisoners attacker, is now backing up. By the seventh his eye is puffing. And when he delivers his windmill punches they may land on the scorecards but few land on Penalosa. They hit gloves and air, and like a player figuring out the trick to a video game, Penalosa times them again and again.

If one moment defines the fight up to this point, it is an HBO replay from round six. Both fighters exchange left hands but Penalosa’s gets there first. They follow up with right hooks upstairs. Penalosa remembers his fundamentals and moves his left hand up to the side of his face while Ponce de Leon just watches and waits, preparing as Teddy Atlas says, to take a picture. Ponce de Leon’s shot hits a glove while Penalosa’s hits clean, snapping Ponce de Leon’s head back.

In the final three rounds, Ponce de Leon, the super bantamweight who could fight as a featherweight, starts running from Penalosa, the one-time junior bantamweight champion. Penalosa keeps coming and Ponce de Leon keeps backing up while throwing an ineffective jab. This is no Samuel Peter showing off his boxing skills in the twelfth in his second fight against James Toney. This is a fighter in full survival mode.

After the final bell rang, I am so convinced that Penalosa won that when the scores are read, my first thought is, how could the judges have it so clearly in Penalosa’s favor? After all, I only scored rounds 2, 5, 7, 8, 9, 11, and 12 for Pensola. But when I hear which name owns the perfect scores my heart sinks and I remember poor Steve Forbes who had what I thought was a winning effort taken away from him in the previous bout that evening. My notes immediately after the Forbes decision was announced were the following: “a lot of close rounds because of contrasting styles but to give Forbes only two rounds is nuts.” If it makes the two judges in that fight nuts, what does it make the three who judged the Penalosa fight? The crowd attending the fight boos the decision for their favorite, Ponce de Leon.

I know that judges will have their explanations. They might say it was a matter of styles, that they prefer the more active fighter. If this is so, they are as good at their jobs as movie critics detesting horror movies but reviewing “Halloween” anyway. They might say Ponce de Leon threw the more effective punches. If this is so, they ignored his impression of Muhammad Ali’s hand-held rubber gorilla each time Penalosa popped him with a hook. They might say Ponce de Leon’s punches were harder. If this is so, they closed their eyes to his eyes which were puffy and swollen by the seventh. They might say Ponce de Leon was more consistent throwing punches throughout the twelve rounds. If this is so, they failed to note Ponce De Leon changed his style in the last few rounds. In the last three rounds, this tough, knock ‘em dead, take no prisoners brawler turned into Cory Spinks minus the effective jab. If these judges were movie critics, their favorite movie would be “Eyes wide Shut.”

One way to make up for this decision could be to give Penalosa another chance against Ponce de Leon, but nothing anyone can do will ever make up for the injustice done on Saturday. In the super bantamweights division, at the age of 34, Penalosa having another night like that is slim. An old fighter usually has trouble getting up for a rematch. James Toney tried to rectify a wrong when he rematched with Samuel Peter, but he was just too old to get ready for another tussle with the younger fighter. Sadly, Penalosa will probably never have the chance to show his skills like that again. He will probably never have another chance to move in for the big money fight. He will probably never have another chance for a title until he’s really a washed up old man. He will probably never face another fighter like Ponce de Leon who, with his wide punches and his determination to come forward and his predictability, was simply made for Penalosa on Saturday night.

If the scoring went they way it should have, think of what that would mean to boxing in the lighter weights. We would have a rematch pitting the old warrior Penalosa, the man who knows all the tricks in the book, against the young Ponce de Leon. Ponce de Leon would be quoted as saying, “I learned a lot from that fight, he’s a master. But now I will do it differently. I know what to do.” Penalosa would sit and smile like old Archie Moore, saying “I went back to the Philippines and visited an old witch doctor who gave me the potion for youth. That’s why I won and why I will do it again.” Attention would have been drawn to the lower weights with Vazquez, Larios, Arce, Marquez the Smaller, and everyone around there. The rematch would’ve sold; it would’ve made money for the Golden Boy; and it would’ve given Penalosa the rewards for his great showing.

Many old fighters have recently have had breakout fights – Hopkins and Pastrana, for example. And Penalosa’s breakout against Ponce de Leon was special like Hopkins’s was. He showed the sweet science, the craft of the sport that makes the ultimate boxing showdown, brawler against boxer, so special. It was the kind of show that boxing fans attending Barrera-Marquez wanted to go along with the main event. But what happened? Instead of turning them on with the compelling spectacle of the sweet science, it compelled them to boo a decision that was not just.