If you were to send your fighter in against Floyd, what would your gameplan be?

[SquareCircle]

Haha. yeah, what would your gameplan be? How you gonna beat a guy like Floyd?

i've come to a conclusion that i'd just train the hell out of my guy and send him into the lions den. you can't really have a plan against mayweather...The guy has every tool in the book, he can switch from pure boxer to boxer puncher, in the blink of an eye, and do some killer damage. Floyd's power is highly underrated, that mother****er HITS HARD for a guy his size. Wait, lemme rephrase. it isnt one punch power that floyd has, he hits just hard enough to knock the living **** out of you, with EVERY PUNCH IN THE COMBINATION. if he throws a 5 punch combo, every shot he's throwing has enough steam to **** you up. You gotta respect that.

Mayweather...has that brutal straight right cross, that he will lead with, if you back up against him.

then if you try to aggress he will catch you coming in with hooks, along with that cross. if you get lucky and punch him in the face, and hurt him, he gives a new meaning to the definition of 'survivor'

the only time ive seen him hurt, i never saw the castillo fights btw, was when he was delivering his own offense to corely. I think the reason floyd got hit was because he had no respect for corely and knew he wasnt on his level, and figured, **** it, if i get hit, he aint ****, so it wont be all that bad. Same with Augustus when he caught floyd.

See,augustus and corely both punched floyd in the head with the exact same blow, at the exact same time. It was when floyd was on offense, and they were on defense...Then they sneak a (LOOPING) punch upstairs (dont get too excited, DLH fans. dlh will get hurt when they fight.even tho if that left hook would land nicely on floyd, it'd hurt him, but it wont land. ) while they anticipate body work from floyd. they just crept upstairs with that looping shot and floyd gets hit by it. it wont happen against oscar, floyd will be on his A game provided floyd doesnt have plans of his own to throw the fight and have a trilogy, which would be smart as hell if you ask me.

[MindBat]

Best game plan would be having my fighter train and spar with Floyd for a while first. Actually, move in with Floyd if he's allowed.

[.Mik.]

This seems like less of a thread asking for a gameplan to counter Floyd's strength and more like a justification of why you think that Floyd is so great.

Everyone knows that the gameplan most likely to beat Floyd (I say most likely because I cant be bothered arguing with those coming in and saying "Ahaha lolsz that bum wont beat floyd fkfkls!" cos thats not what I'm saying), is that of a good swarmer. Someone who can cut down the ring, throw high volumes of punches without being feather fisted or tiring out after a few rounds and who has to be able to either take or block a lot of Floyd's punches because of how efficient a counter-puncher he is. This is why Ricky Hatton is a bad style match for PBF and why I'd rate him most likely (not those words again) to defeat Floyd out of the current contenders.

De La Hoya will HAVE to implement some of these tactics to defeat Floyd. He will probably combine this with his superior power on the hope of cutting down the ring and then nailing Floyd with a few heavy punches while accepting to take a few at the same time (something that Joe Frazier was so good at doing). He may not have the speed or the endurance to do it long enough to defeat Floyd and PBF MAY not have the chin to endure them for long if De La Hoya can pull it off. We shall have to wait and see.

[SquareCircle]

This seems like less of a thread asking for a gameplan to counter Floyd's strength and more like a justification of why you think that Floyd is so great.

Everyone knows that the gameplan most likely to beat Floyd (I say most likely because I cant be bothered arguing with those coming in and saying "Ahaha lolsz that bum wont beat floyd fkfkls!" cos thats not what I'm saying), is that of a good swarmer. Someone who can cut down the ring, throw high volumes of punches without being feather fisted or tiring out after a few rounds and who has to be able to either take or block a lot of Floyd's punches because of how efficient a counter-puncher he is. This is why Ricky Hatton is a bad style match for PBF and why I'd rate him most likely (not those words again) to defeat Floyd out of the current contenders.

De La Hoya will HAVE to implement some of these tactics to defeat Floyd. He will probably combine this with his superior power on the hope of cutting down the ring and then nailing Floyd with a few heavy punches while accepting to take a few at the same time (something that Joe Frazier was so good at doing). He may not have the speed or the endurance to do it long enough to defeat Floyd and PBF MAY not have the chin to endure them for long if De La Hoya can pull it off. We shall have to wait and see.

first of all, I'm not even a real floyd fan. but I know he's great, because I know boxing. you're in denial of him being the greatest in the sport right now, otherwise you wouldn't be whining. the ****in guy has every tool in the book, how the **** are you supposed to fight him? it's just a point...he's a jack of all trades, you train a guy to aggress against him all night and he's going to get hurt, plain and simple. I think that's a ****** game plan to fight floyd. Best plan is to cover up and let him unload and get comfortable, and then (the fighter must be a puncher) deliver some serious hooks upstairs when floyd is attacking your body on the ropes.

Floyd hits harder, and more accurately, and fluidly, than Collazo....you seriously think that hatton would have a chance against floyd you're ****in crazy. I actually thought Hatton might have a shot, but that was before I saw him fight collazo.

I'll only say this once, you CANNOT chase down floyd and expect to land a power punch on him upstairs. you CANNOT. it must be a suprise when he's punching you.

[riza]

depends who the fighter is. if its delahoya some basic things would be:
faint a lot
throw most punches to body and then chest. up-down
faint right and come back with a quick left hook.
upercut to body and head when floyds on the ropes.

[.Mik.]

first of all, I'm not even a real floyd fan. but I know he's great, because I know boxing. you're in denial of him being the greatest in the sport right now, otherwise you wouldn't be whining. the ****in guy has every tool in the book, how the **** are you supposed to fight him? it's just a point...he's a jack of all trades, you train a guy to aggress against him all night and he's going to get hurt, plain and simple. I think that's a ****** game plan to fight floyd. Best plan is to cover up and let him unload and get comfortable, and then (the fighter must be a puncher) deliver some serious hooks upstairs when floyd is attacking your body on the ropes.

Floyd hits harder, and more accurately, and fluidly, than Collazo....you seriously think that hatton would have a chance against floyd you're ****in crazy. I actually thought Hatton might have a shot, but that was before I saw him fight collazo.

I'll only say this once, you CANNOT chase down floyd and expect to land a power punch on him upstairs. you CANNOT. it must be a suprise when he's punching you.

Woah there moron, a couple of points.

1). "you're in denial of him being the greatest in the sport right now, otherwise you wouldn't be whining."

No I'm not. He IS the greatest in the sport at the moment. Rightfully P4P #1 as I've said a number of times. He has flaws and faults the same as anyone else and because of those flaws and faults he is beatable and more susceptible to certain gameplans than others. So you are wrong about that assumption of me. Secondally, 'whining'? Grow up. I merely pointed out that your thread was misleading (which it is) the content of your post bore no relation to the subject matter. Had you just wanted to rabbit on about how good you think PBF is, thats fine. But then dont ask for a gameplan that may beat him when its clear that you didnt want one, as evidenced by your response to someone giving you such a gameplan.

2). "you train a guy to aggress against him all night and he's going to get hurt, plain and simple. I think that's a ****** game plan to fight floyd. Best plan is to cover up and let him unload and get comfortable, and then (the fighter must be a puncher) deliver some serious hooks upstairs when floyd is attacking your body on the ropes."

Nothing is 'plain and simple' in boxing. Ali was a hit and move boxer, a great counter-puncher with an incredible jab. So surely the 'cut off the corners and keep punching' style of Joe Frazier was going to get him hurt, plain and simple...right? So how comes he beat him? As for the second part, dont ask for people's gameplans if you are just going to claim they are wrong and then post your own gameplan as though it is THE DEFINITIVE answer. What is the point in starting a thread for that?

3). "Floyd hits harder, and more accurately, and fluidly, than Collazo....you seriously think that hatton would have a chance against floyd you're ****in crazy. I actually thought Hatton might have a shot, but that was before I saw him fight collazo."

Idiots use triangular logic...that is a fact. Dont be an idiot. I do seriously think that Hatton would have a chance against Floyd, a lot of very informed, intelligent and experienced boxing pundits believe so. Just as many believe that Hatton has THE STYLE most effective as unsettling Floyd Mayweather too? They arent '****in crazy' either. You should have a bit of respect for sensible opinions, considering this is YOUR thread and thats what YOU were asking for. Why would anyone bother responding to this 'discussion' that you are proposing simply to be told that they are '****ing crazy'? Wise up.

4). "I'll only say this once, you CANNOT chase down floyd and expect to land a power punch on him upstairs. you CANNOT. it must be a suprise when he's punching you."

Yes you can. Even the best defensive fighters of all time were susceptible to a big punch, so it is never off the cards. Thats what makes the nature of boxing so unexpected and exciting, so dont state outlandish opinions as facts. The likelihood is that is what De La Hoya will try to do. Nobody ever said it was just upstairs, but DLH will most likely try to stop Floyd dancing away, catching him in the corner and throw in a few quick power-shots before getting hit with some himself (the fact that DLH is more powerful and will consider his resilliance to PBF's punches to be better than PBF's resilliance to his punches indicates that he would potentially find this quite a rewarding tactic).

You need to think a bit before posting threads and responding to those who are providing you with the discussion you claim to be desiring. If you just wanted this to be a standalone post where you waxed lyrical about PBF, you should've just said so.

[K-Nan]

SquareCircle: That's some good input, but you NEED to watch the JLC fights, especially the first one. He was really frustrating Floyd, and I actually had it a draw.

In my opinion, a fighter like Kassim Ouma would be the death of Floyd, moreso than even (gasp) Taylor or Winky, and ESPECIALLy DLH. It's because Floyd can handle 1, 2. even 5 punches in a row. But if you take the 12 round agression from Kassim, coupled with his legendary chin, and I think you hav a KO for the Dream.

[SquareCircle]

This seems like less of a thread asking for a gameplan to counter Floyd's strength and more like a justification of why you think that Floyd is so great.

Everyone knows that the gameplan most likely to beat Floyd (I say most likely because I cant be bothered arguing with those coming in and saying "Ahaha lolsz that bum wont beat floyd fkfkls!" cos thats not what I'm saying), is that of a good swarmer. Someone who can cut down the ring, throw high volumes of punches without being feather fisted or tiring out after a few rounds and who has to be able to either take or block a lot of Floyd's punches because of how efficient a counter-puncher he is. This is why Ricky Hatton is a bad style match for PBF and why I'd rate him most likely (not those words again) to defeat Floyd out of the current contenders.

De La Hoya will HAVE to implement some of these tactics to defeat Floyd. He will probably combine this with his superior power on the hope of cutting down the ring and then nailing Floyd with a few heavy punches while accepting to take a few at the same time (something that Joe Frazier was so good at doing). He may not have the speed or the endurance to do it long enough to defeat Floyd and PBF MAY not have the chin to endure them for long if De La Hoya can pull it off. We shall have to wait and see.

Woah there moron, a couple of points.

1). "you're in denial of him being the greatest in the sport right now, otherwise you wouldn't be whining."

No I'm not. He IS the greatest in the sport at the moment. Rightfully P4P #1 as I've said a number of times. He has flaws and faults the same as anyone else and because of those flaws and faults he is beatable and more susceptible to certain gameplans than others. So you are wrong about that assumption of me. Secondally, 'whining'? Grow up. I merely pointed out that your thread was misleading (which it is) the content of your post bore no relation to the subject matter. Had you just wanted to rabbit on about how good you think PBF is, thats fine. But then dont ask for a gameplan that may beat him when its clear that you didnt want one, as evidenced by your response to someone giving you such a gameplan.

2). "you train a guy to aggress against him all night and he's going to get hurt, plain and simple. I think that's a ****** game plan to fight floyd. Best plan is to cover up and let him unload and get comfortable, and then (the fighter must be a puncher) deliver some serious hooks upstairs when floyd is attacking your body on the ropes."

Nothing is 'plain and simple' in boxing. Ali was a hit and move boxer, a great counter-puncher with an incredible jab. So surely the 'cut off the corners and keep punching' style of Joe Frazier was going to get him hurt, plain and simple...right? So how comes he beat him? As for the second part, dont ask for people's gameplans if you are just going to claim they are wrong and then post your own gameplan as though it is THE DEFINITIVE answer. What is the point in starting a thread for that?

3). "Floyd hits harder, and more accurately, and fluidly, than Collazo....you seriously think that hatton would have a chance against floyd you're ****in crazy. I actually thought Hatton might have a shot, but that was before I saw him fight collazo."

Idiots use triangular logic...that is a fact. Dont be an idiot. I do seriously think that Hatton would have a chance against Floyd, a lot of very informed, intelligent and experienced boxing pundits believe so. Just as many believe that Hatton has THE STYLE most effective as unsettling Floyd Mayweather too? They arent '****in crazy' either. You should have a bit of respect for sensible opinions, considering this is YOUR thread and thats what YOU were asking for. Why would anyone bother responding to this 'discussion' that you are proposing simply to be told that they are '****ing crazy'? Wise up.

4). "I'll only say this once, you CANNOT chase down floyd and expect to land a power punch on him upstairs. you CANNOT. it must be a suprise when he's punching you."

Yes you can. Even the best defensive fighters of all time were susceptible to a big punch, so it is never off the cards. Thats what makes the nature of boxing so unexpected and exciting, so dont state outlandish opinions as facts. The likelihood is that is what De La Hoya will try to do. Nobody ever said it was just upstairs, but DLH will most likely try to stop Floyd dancing away, catching him in the corner and throw in a few quick power-shots before getting hit with some himself (the fact that DLH is more powerful and will consider his resilliance to PBF's punches to be better than PBF's resilliance to his punches indicates that he would potentially find this quite a rewarding tactic).

You need to think a bit before posting threads and responding to those who are providing you with the discussion you claim to be desiring. If you just wanted this to be a standalone post where you waxed lyrical about PBF, you should've just said so.

He's the one fighter in the sport, today, that you should enter the ring without having a set gameplan to fight against. If you cannot understand that, then I'm sorry. Please don't compare this to Heavyweights, and especially, don't compare Floyd to Ali. Ali was great, but he was not as versatile as Floyd Mayweather Jr. Ali was not adept at hooking on the inside. Of course a swarmer like Frazier will give Ali problems.

I said you were whining, because it pissed me off how you think I made the thread to blow up Floyd, rather than talk about an actual gameplan. Why you think that, I really don't know. Maybe you could be more specific?

And yeah, defensive fighters ARE susceptible to a big punch, but if you would've actually read what I typed before you responded, you would've saw that I said..."Floyd is impossible to chase down and hit with a big punch." "CHASE DOWN". understand? So maybe you need to think a bit before responding with essay-length posts.

[Winkyftw!]

You gotta look at the fights where Floyd was hurt.

So, unless you can match his speed for 12 rounds ( ala judah for the first half of the fight) you really only have one option.

1: You gotta cut off the ring againt floyd, and nail him with big body shots. Hopefully slow him down a little. Keep your hands up. Be patient, and don't waste your time trying to pop floyd hard in the head. MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, set a trap for him: When he comes in to pop you nail him.

Thats what i would do.

It's very tough. If Cotto impresses me against Judah, i'd give him the best shot as of now. And, as Berto continues to rise up the welter ranks, and floyd doesn't retire, that could be a great fight.

[SquareCircle]

kaynan: The Dream definately had a tougher upbringing than Floyd, I could see him going through hell to win...but you never know when some ref is going to step in and stop the action though after too many shots lands, ruling out a good chin. that's how dlh got vargas outta there. very interesting matchup though, one I never thought about.