GREATEST ITALIAN FIGHER EVER???? Who was it?

[Welter_Skelter]

well if ur parents, grand parents, and great grandparents were ALL born in ITALY, and you were born in America, YOU ARE STILL ITALIAN. You are jus ITALIAN AMERICAN
You still fight like an italian, you still talk and look italian, you are more Italian then you are American.

Im reading a book, called ITALIAN STALLIONS, that brought up this topic. AND EVERY SINGLE GUY I MENTIONED is in the book.

THEY ARE ITALIAN!!!!!

Using that LOGIC.. then we can all trace our roots back to Africa...

[squealpiggy]

There is a difference between "Italian American" and "Italian". If you have ancestry and your parents or their parents are immigrants, and you live in an Italian American community then you may lay claim to being Italian American. But not Italian. Nationaility is by birth, not by choice.

It's a pet hate of mine, I'm an Englishman living in Canada and I'm sick and tired of people claiming to be Irish and haranguing me for "oppressing" their "people" despite the fact that when their ancestors were Irish, so were mine!

If you mentioned "Greatest Italian Fighters" then right away I'm thinking of Pep, Graziano, Marciano, Basilio etc, but when you're talking about nationality and you want to get pedantic, well if you're born in the United States then you are American by nationality and by birth, not Italian!

[Kball15]

Using that LOGIC.. then we can all trace our roots back to Africa...

okay first of all, we are gettin into to way to much detail. This stuff doesnt even matter, all these guys are considered great ITALIAN fighters for a reason...

And im talking about ur immidiate roots... Im american, but if i followed YOUR logic i would be polish and that makes NO sense at all.

But if my dad was polish, and he had an accent and we ate polish food, etc etc etc, i would definetly consider myself part Polish.

Ask any Historian what nationality Graziano was, they are gonna tell you Italian. He may not be "techinically" Italian, but he is italian american. HE looks italian, he eats italian, he speaks with an accent, and is your steriotypical italian

[Welter_Skelter]

okay first of all, we are gettin into to way to much detail. This stuff doesnt even matter, all these guys are considered great ITALIAN fighters for a reason...

And im talking about ur immidiate roots... Im american, but if i followed YOUR logic i would be polish and that makes NO sense at all.

But if my dad was polish, and he had an accent and we ate polish food, etc etc etc, i would definetly consider myself part Polish.

Ask any Historian what nationality Graziano was, they are gonna tell you Italian. He may not be "techinically" Italian, but he is italian american. HE looks italian, he eats italian, he speaks with an accent, and is your steriotypical italian

Well then I will have to go with the argument THAT if you are are born in THE USA and Live there.. then you are American..
And the ancestrial argument carries no weight..

[Kball15]

Well then I will have to go with the argument THAT if you are are born in THE USA and Live there.. then you are American..
And the ancestrial argument carries no weight..

I still think it depends on where your parents are from. If your parents are Italian Americans, u are american.

but if ur parents were born and raised in Italy, and you are born in america, then you are Italian American.

I personally dont think it matters where your born. If you carry the nationality, and have all the traits that a stereotypical italian would have, you should be considered an italian.

[BigSlick]

This is just an arguement over semantics, the question should have been reworded to the greatest ethnic Italian fighter.

Some people just look for something to fight about.

[wmute]

nationality is determined by
where you are born,
who are your parents
(and in some cases) by where you live

I am italian and live in us. If i had a kid now, he would have two passports.

[wmute]

willie pep is the greatest of that list,

if you want a fighter who grew up in italy and fought out of Italy, it has to be Duilio Loi.

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/loi.htm

[brownpimp88]

Willie Pep, Top 3 P4P all time

which opponents did he really beat to earn that recognition? Leonard beat hagler, hearns, duran and benitez. Pep sure as hell didnt beat guys on that level, o wait he fought an elite like saddler and got knocked the **** out.

[Kball15]

which opponents did he really beat to earn that recognition? Leonard beat hagler, hearns, duran and benitez. Pep sure as hell didnt beat guys on that level, o wait he fought an elite like saddler and got knocked the **** out.

and came back less then 5 months later to fight the perfect fight against sadler and won in 15 rounds. Which is widely considered one of the greatest fights of all time...

Not to mention the fact that he had over 200 wins and less then 15 losses.