Gatti - Ward Trilogy

[ianwigley]

Come on folks, lets have a huge discussion about these three scraps.

Are these three scraps the best we'll ever see? I rated Coralles -Castillo over these before last week, but after scrutinising these three fights for the last week, I'm rethinking.

Debate, folks...

Shoot..

Ian

[Hydro]

Overrated.

The first Gatti-Ward fight: classic.
The rematch: OK.
The 3rd fight: Good.

It was a rather one-sided trilogy. Gatti won about 23 of the 30 rounds that took place.

Among recent trilogies of the last 15 years, Barrera-Morales and Pacquiao-Morales were better, as was Bowe-Holyfield.

That's not to say it wasn't a very good trilogy, it just doesn't stand out from the other excellent ones in recent times, let alone all-time.

[Hydro]

Gatti-Ward I wasn't even the best fight Gatti was in.

Gatti-Robinson I was better. The steady action was more consistent throughout.

[ianwigley]

Overrated.

The first Gatti-Ward fight: classic.
The rematch: OK.
The 3rd fight: Good.

It was a rather one-sided trilogy. Gatti won about 23 of the 30 rounds that took place.

Among recent trilogies of the last 15 years, Barrera-Morales and Pacquiao-Morales were better, as was Bowe-Holyfield.

That's not to say it wasn't a very good trilogy, it just doesn't stand out from the other excellent ones in recent times, let alone all-time.

****ing hell! Which planet you on, dude?

None of the above fights you quoted saw either boxer withstand as much ****ing pain and violence as those two guys did.

Can you name me three other scraps where the leather flew as much as these three?, not forgetting your original three were awful...

Barrera - Morales III saw a shot Morales fighting a fitter bloke than him, who was incidentally not shot, Pacquiao - Morales III saw an old Morales get it kicked (although I truly adore Erik), and Bowe - Holyfield was just not in the same league as the Gatti - Ward thing. That was three fights with two blokes who were just about matched, perfectly. Sorry, perfectly matched...

Ian

[amaru]

****ing hell! Which planet you on, dude?

None of the above fights you quoted saw either boxer withstand as much ****ing pain and violence as those two guys did.

Can you name me three other scraps where the leather flew as much as these three?, not forgetting your original three were awful...

Barrera - Morales III saw a shot Morales fighting a fitter bloke than him, who was incidentally not shot, Pacquiao - Morales III saw an old Morales get it kicked (although I truly adore Erik), and Bowe - Holyfield was just not in the same league as the Gatti - Ward thing. That was three fights with two blokes who were just about matched, perfectly. Sorry, perfectly matched...

Ian

i agree with yuu when you mention the gatti-ward trilogy being grweat, but i completely disagree with you regarding the 3rd fight between morales and barrera, morales was not a shot fighter at all, when they fought and he was at the top of his game and was comfortable at 130lbs and many people were not even giving barrera a chance because of his recent loss to pacquiao and the way morales was looking as a fighter coming into that 3rd fight.

barrera and the morales trilogy for me was better in the sense that as well as all 3 fights being action packed, they were also very close, all 3 fights were very close, if we take all 36 rounds of barrera and morales, barrera possibly only wins that trilogy by 2-3 rounds at the most. the only close fight in the gatti-ward trilogy was there first fight in my opinion.

[The Surgeon]

Gatti vs Ward 1 WAS DEFINATLEY 1 OF THE BEST FIGHTS I HAVE EVER SEEN! Ward 2? Really good fight tho not on the same level as the 1st!
3? Dont know not seen it! I bought Gatti's career set dvds but the Ward3 fight isnt on it!!!!?
Ward vs Gatti 1 was better than Pac vs Morales by a mile! Better than Morales vs Barrera too id say. And better than the Bowe vs Holyfield wars as well

[Hydro]

****ing hell! Which planet you on, dude?

The planet that watches with my own eyes and doesn't listen to HBO commentators yap about how it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

None of the above fights you quoted saw either boxer withstand as much ****ing pain and violence as those two guys did.

And you know exactly how much pain they sustained? Holyfield was drooling and looked like he got mugged against Bowe. Bowe was never the same after the trilogy. Barrera, Morales, and Pacquiao all went through hell in their fights.

Can you name me three other scraps where the leather flew as much as these three?, not forgetting your original three were awful...

Bowe-Holyfield was fought at an incredible pace. Just because they're not throwing wild swings like Gatti and Ward it doesn't mean they're not throwing a lot of punches, hard punches. Holyfield always had a very good workrate as a HW, but Bowe's workrate in the trilogy dwarfed Evander's.

Barrera - Morales III saw a shot Morales fighting a fitter bloke than him, who was incidentally not shot, Pacquiao - Morales III saw an old Morales get it kicked (although I truly adore Erik), and Bowe - Holyfield was just not in the same league as the Gatti - Ward thing. That was three fights with two blokes who were just about matched, perfectly. Sorry, perfectly matched...

LOL @ evenly matched. Gatti won all the rounds in the 2nd bout. Ward won maybe 1 round.

In the 3rd bout, Ward won 2 rounds. Once when Gatti broke his hand, and the other from a late KD when Ward was losing the first 2:55 of the round, as usual.

Gatti won 6 rounds in the 1st fight.

How is one guy winning 22-24 of 30 rounds being "evenly matched"??

Hell, two of the Morales-Pac fights were competitive and pretty close. Only one Gatti-Ward was.

Furthermore, no one said Morales was shot against MAB in 2004. If anything, everyone said MAB was after Pac destroyed him. Morales had one of his best years going into that fight.

[The Surgeon]

Gatti-Ward I wasn't even the best fight Gatti was in.

Gatti-Robinson I was better. The steady action was more consistent throughout.

Id dissagree there i rate Ward1 as Gatti's most exciteing fight

[Gorilla Pound]

First fight was incredible. I would pay good money just to have been able to see Round 9 in person.

[ianwigley]

Gatti-Ward I wasn't even the best fight Gatti was in.

Gatti-Robinson I was better. The steady action was more consistent throughout.

Gotta be straight with you dude, I haven't seen that fight.

Reason I quote the Gatti - Micky fights as being so great is the adrenaline thing. The shher get up and ****ing go to war thing. Micky never ever stopped coming forward, he was so old school. When Gatti ****** him out in the third of the second fight, he waved Gatti on, telling him to come punch him. Gatti danced and punched hard for three fights, and just did the right thing, as well as inflicting an amazing amount of hammer on Ward...and that was the essence of the trilogy. Two guys, just going at it...we haven't seen it since...Maybe we never will.

Folk say Somsak Sithchatchawal - Monshipour was the business, but for me (and I respect your opinion) it wasn't anything as good...

Ian