Steve "Crybaby" Cunningham

**The Mrs.** · 02-23-2007, 12:59 AM

Please check your facts!

Ok, wow. I don�t really know where to start. You seem very emotional about this subject, which is funny, because most of your facts are wrong. My personal belief is that if people are talking about you, whether good or bad, it is a good thing. But I would be wrong not to point out some of your blatant mistakes.

First of all, you make all these statements that would lead someone to believe you actually know what you are talking about, but you clearly don�t. Secondly, some of the comments you make could only be said by someone who was a) either at the fight in Poland b) is involved with the IBF c) part of either Cunningham or Wlodarczyk�s camp. Are any of these situations true? I highly doubt it. But rather than reply emotionally, which is my first instinct, I will just address the facts�

You stated:

1. since when do gloves need to be examined after the fight?

This is actually in the IBF rules for a championship fight, so I guess since the rules were created. You can look that part up.

2. just cuz some1 can take ur punch means they're using steroids?

No one will know whether anyone was taking steroids for this fight, because there was no post fight drug test, which is also part of the IBF rules for a championship fight. Like I said, no one will ever know, but I feel like people break and ignore rules for a reason. And the Polish promoters had 100% control with essentially no IBF supervision, so really they did what they wanted to do. And they decided to ignore this rule. I will leave it at that.

3. the urine test was denied by the IBF (for reasons unknown).

This statement is 100% false. The IBF did not deny the urine test. If that was the case then they would not have issued an immediate rematch due to the lack of a urine test being administered post fight. Are we having fun yet?

4. how the **** would cryingham know what the **** the judges were doing at the end of the rounds?

Ok, now you are just being silly. Do you think that Steve was over there fighting by himself with no corner or team watching the fight? I was sitting in the first row behind both the promoters and the IBF representative. The promoters were actually sitting ringside, at the table next to the IBF rep for the entire fight looking over his shoulder as he tallied each round and then running to the corner to tell them the score. This I saw with my own eyes. Have you ever seen Don King sitting ringside watching the fight be scored? I�ll answer that for you, NO. And let me clarify. They were not in the first row like I was, they were sitting at the table that is right up against the ring. By the way this is all on tape. I also personally saw the judges signaling to the promoters from across the ring. So to answer your question, THAT is how Cunningham knew what the judges were doing.

5. cryingham never specified what kind of gloves he wanted before the fight. AFTER the fight, he said he wanted Grant gloves. but since he didn�t specify, he was given Everlast.

Again, I would love to know where you got these facts from. Cunningham�s management notified the promoters before even arriving in Poland that he would use Grant gloves. After arriving in Poland, his management fought for two days straight about this topic, which went all the way to the Polish Boxing Commissioner. Because of the fight being just after Thanksgiving, IBF officials could not be reached to make a judgment. At the IBF hearing for a rematch, there was a polish representative who testified that the Polish promoters were not accurately translating the Commissioner�s remarks. In the end, we were forced to use everlast and this determination was made the day before the fight.

So as you can see, your facts are way off. Did you even watch the fight? Steve is a boxer, which takes a lot more skill then standing there and slugging it out for 12 rounds. Maybe that is not the style you prefer, I can understand and respect that. Steve beat Wlodarczyk, but what he lost to was underhandedness and politics and that is not right. Call it what you want, but if you were in the same position, to work so hard for something and overcome so much up to that point and have it taken from you, you would be a fool not to fight for it. These are FACTS coming from someone who was there in person and not from hearsay.

This is a tough business and I only wish that people would only state facts that they know to be true, but I know I am asking too much. But please keep talking, complaining, posting, and what ever else you do about Steve and boxing, because it is all publicity.

Thanks and GOD BLESS YOU.

Elizabeth �USS� Cunningham aka The Mrs.

**Hitman932** · 02-23-2007, 02:27 AM

Originally posted by The Mrs.

Ok, wow. I don�t really know where to start. You seem very emotional about this subject, which is funny, because most of your facts are wrong. My personal belief is that if people are talking about you, whether good or bad, it is a good thing. But I would be wrong not to point out some of your blatant mistakes.

First of all, you make all these statements that would lead someone to believe you actually know what you are talking about, but you clearly don�t. Secondly, some of the comments you make could only be said by someone who was a) either at the fight in Poland b) is involved with the IBF c) part of either Cunningham or Wlodarczyk�s camp. Are any of these situations true? I highly doubt it. But rather than reply emotionally, which is my first instinct, I will just address the facts�

You stated:

1. since when do gloves need to be examined after the fight?

This is actually in the IBF rules for a championship fight, so I guess since the rules were created. You can look that part up.

2. just cuz some1 can take ur punch means they're using steroids?

No one will know whether anyone was taking steroids for this fight, because there was no post fight drug test, which is also part of the IBF rules for a championship fight. Like I said, no one will ever know, but I feel like people break and ignore rules for a reason. And the Polish promoters had 100% control with essentially no IBF supervision, so really they did what they wanted to do. And they decided to ignore this rule. I will leave it at that.

3. the urine test was denied by the IBF (for reasons unknown).

This statement is 100% false. The IBF did not deny the urine test. If that was the case then they would not have issued an immediate rematch due to the lack of a urine test being administered post fight. Are we having fun yet?

4. how the **** would cryingham know what the **** the judges were doing at the end of the rounds?

Ok, now you are just being silly. Do you think that Steve was over there fighting by himself with no corner or team watching the fight? I was sitting in the first row behind both the promoters and the IBF representative. The promoters were actually sitting ringside, at the table next to the IBF rep for the entire fight looking over his shoulder as he tallied each round and then running to the corner to tell them the score. This I saw with my own eyes. Have you ever seen Don King sitting ringside watching the fight be scored? I�ll answer that for you, NO. And let me clarify. They were not in the first row like I was, they were sitting at the table that is right up against the ring. By the way this is all on tape. I also personally saw the judges signaling to the promoters from across the ring. So to answer your question, THAT is how Cunningham knew what the judges were doing.

5. cryingham never specified what kind of gloves he wanted before the fight. AFTER the fight, he said he wanted Grant gloves. but since he didn�t specify, he was given Everlast.

Again, I would love to know where you got these facts from. Cunningham�s management notified the promoters before even arriving in Poland that he would use Grant gloves. After arriving in Poland, his management fought for two days straight about this topic, which went all the way to the Polish Boxing Commissioner. Because of the fight being just after Thanksgiving, IBF officials could not be reached to make a judgment. At the IBF hearing for a rematch, there was a polish representative who testified that the Polish promoters were not accurately translating the Commissioner�s remarks. In the end, we were forced to use everlast and this determination was made the day before the fight.

So as you can see, your facts are way off. Did you even watch the fight? Steve is a boxer, which takes a lot more skill then standing there and slugging it out for 12 rounds. Maybe that is not the style you prefer, I can understand and respect that. Steve beat Wlodarczyk, but what he lost to was underhandedness and politics and that is not right. Call it what you want, but if you were in the same position, to work so hard for something and overcome so much up to that point and have it taken from you, you would be a fool not to fight for it. These are FACTS coming from someone who was there in person and not from hearsay.

This is a tough business and I only wish that people would only state facts that they know to be true, but I know I am asking too much. But please keep talking, complaining, posting, and what ever else you do about Steve and boxing, because it is all publicity.

Thanks and GOD BLESS YOU.

Elizabeth �USS� Cunningham aka The Mrs.

thank you ever so much for this post mrs. cunningham

as someone who followed steves career and has not been able to see this fight for myself i had a lot of questions that you have answered and i appreciate it a lot

all the classic signs of a robbery were right there on the paper as far as the location and absolutly preposterous discrepancy in scoring with the dissenting judge.....

obviously as you pointed out, the original poster did not see the fight, along with just about everyone else in the world, and obviously that was a factor is this sham being pulled off also... i wonder if you could possibly inform me of a way this fight could be obtained via PM

i look forward to seeing Steve get what he deserves, just make sure he defends against johnathon banks.... thatd be a great fight!

also, for the record, i think the original poster had one good point with the steroid allegations... simply cause in light of the scoring, gloves, and blatant misconduct of promotors i think such speculation about drug use is very secondary....

that is all

**Hitman932** · 02-23-2007, 02:34 AM

Originally posted by The Mrs.

Ok, wow. I don�t really know where to start. You seem very emotional about this subject, which is funny, because most of your facts are wrong. My personal belief is that if people are talking about you, whether good or bad, it is a good thing. But I would be wrong not to point out some of your blatant mistakes.

First of all, you make all these statements that would lead someone to believe you actually know what you are talking about, but you clearly don�t. Secondly, some of the comments you make could only be said by someone who was a) either at the fight in Poland b) is involved with the IBF c) part of either Cunningham or Wlodarczyk�s camp. Are any of these situations true? I highly doubt it. But rather than reply emotionally, which is my first instinct, I will just address the facts�

You stated:

1. since when do gloves need to be examined after the fight?

This is actually in the IBF rules for a championship fight, so I guess since the rules were created. You can look that part up.

2. just cuz some1 can take ur punch means they're using steroids?

No one will know whether anyone was taking steroids for this fight, because there was no post fight drug test, which is also part of the IBF rules for a championship fight. Like I said, no one will ever know, but I feel like people break and ignore rules for a reason. And the Polish promoters had 100% control with essentially no IBF supervision, so really they did what they wanted to do. And they decided to ignore this rule. I will leave it at that.

3. the urine test was denied by the IBF (for reasons unknown).

This statement is 100% false. The IBF did not deny the urine test. If that was the case then they would not have issued an immediate rematch due to the lack of a urine test being administered post fight. Are we having fun yet?

4. how the **** would cryingham know what the **** the judges were doing at the end of the rounds?

Ok, now you are just being silly. Do you think that Steve was over there fighting by himself with no corner or team watching the fight? I was sitting in the first row behind both the promoters and the IBF representative. The promoters were actually sitting ringside, at the table next to the IBF rep for the entire fight looking over his shoulder as he tallied each round and then running to the corner to tell them the score. This I saw with my own eyes. Have you ever seen Don King sitting ringside watching the fight be scored? I�ll answer that for you, NO. And let me clarify. They were not in the first row like I was, they were sitting at the table that is right up against the ring. By the way this is all on tape. I also personally saw the judges signaling to the promoters from across the ring. So to answer your question, THAT is how Cunningham knew what the judges were doing.

5. cryingham never specified what kind of gloves he wanted before the fight. AFTER the fight, he said he wanted Grant gloves. but since he didn�t specify, he was given Everlast.

Again, I would love to know where you got these facts from. Cunningham�s management notified the promoters before even arriving in Poland that he would use Grant gloves. After arriving in Poland, his management fought for two days straight about this topic, which went all the way to the Polish Boxing Commissioner. Because of the fight being just after Thanksgiving, IBF officials could not be reached to make a judgment. At the IBF hearing for a rematch, there was a polish representative who testified that the Polish promoters were not accurately translating the Commissioner�s remarks. In the end, we were forced to use everlast and this determination was made the day before the fight.

So as you can see, your facts are way off. Did you even watch the fight? Steve is a boxer, which takes a lot more skill then standing there and slugging it out for 12 rounds. Maybe that is not the style you prefer, I can understand and respect that. Steve beat Wlodarczyk, but what he lost to was underhandedness and politics and that is not right. Call it what you want, but if you were in the same position, to work so hard for something and overcome so much up to that point and have it taken from you, you would be a fool not to fight for it. These are FACTS coming from someone who was there in person and not from hearsay.

This is a tough business and I only wish that people would only state facts that they know to be true, but I know I am asking too much. But please keep talking, complaining, posting, and what ever else you do about Steve and boxing, because it is all publicity.

Thanks and GOD BLESS YOU.

Elizabeth �USS� Cunningham aka The Mrs.

single most informative post of the year!

im gonna be bumping this thread for a week

**!!! Beowulf !!!** · 02-23-2007, 04:55 AM

With all due respect to Mrs Cunningham, I watched that fight live over the internet and agreed with the German judge in scoring it to Wlodarczyk by 8 rounds to 4, as did most of the blokes on ESB who were doing a round by round. The American judge was way off, and can only have been blinded by his nationality. I guess if the American judge had scored it a draw I wouldn't have had any complaints, as most of the rounds were tough to score due to the numerous clinches initiated by Steve Cunningham and the inability of Wlodarczyk to take decisive advantage of Steve's stage fright.

Whilst the goings on with the urine tests, etc are definately rather fishy, it certainly doesn't man that the Pole was juicing. Wlodarczyk's physique was not the kind sculpted by steroids, it was the physique of a professional prize fighter.

It certainly wasn't the kind of fight I expected to see, I'd hurt great things about "USS" Cunningham and at the weigh in he looked in really good condition and looked a fair bit bigger than his Polish opponent. However, it seems that come fight night, Steve was rather more nervous than he looked the day before and this led to him essentially "blowing it" against an opponent who didn't seem terribly special. I tuned in expecting Steve Cunningham to make a statement. What I got was John Ruiz's black brother.

Good for Steve that he has his rematch. Maybe this time he can redeem himself and actually act like a fighter in the ring. Boxing is one thing, relentless clinching is another. Maybe Steve would be better off if he remembered that. I know if Steve Cunningham tried those tactics against someone like David Haye then the scoring really wouldn't matter. The USS Cunningham would've gone down long before the judges could have their say.

It's up to Steve to prove his doubters wrong after his last performance. Kudos to him for giving it another shot.

**miron_lang** · 02-23-2007, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by The Mrs.

Ok, wow. I don�t really know where to start. You seem very emotional about this subject, which is funny, because most of your facts are wrong. My personal belief is that if people are talking about you, whether good or bad, it is a good thing. But I would be wrong not to point out some of your blatant mistakes.

First of all, you make all these statements that would lead someone to believe you actually know what you are talking about, but you clearly don�t. Secondly, some of the comments you make could only be said by someone who was a) either at the fight in Poland b) is involved with the IBF c) part of either Cunningham or Wlodarczyk�s camp. Are any of these situations true? I highly doubt it. But rather than reply emotionally, which is my first instinct, I will just address the facts�

You stated:

1. since when do gloves need to be examined after the fight?

This is actually in the IBF rules for a championship fight, so I guess since the rules were created. You can look that part up.

2. just cuz some1 can take ur punch means they're using steroids?

No one will know whether anyone was taking steroids for this fight, because there was no post fight drug test, which is also part of the IBF rules for a championship fight. Like I said, no one will ever know, but I feel like people break and ignore rules for a reason. And the Polish promoters had 100% control with essentially no IBF supervision, so really they did what they wanted to do. And they decided to ignore this rule. I will leave it at that.

3. the urine test was denied by the IBF (for reasons unknown).

This statement is 100% false. The IBF did not deny the urine test. If that was the case then they would not have issued an immediate rematch due to the lack of a urine test being administered post fight. Are we having fun yet?

4. how the **** would cryingham know what the **** the judges were doing at the end of the rounds?

Ok, now you are just being silly. Do you think that Steve was over there fighting by himself with no corner or team watching the fight? I was sitting in the first row behind both the promoters and the IBF representative. The promoters were actually sitting ringside, at the table next to the IBF rep for the entire fight looking over his shoulder as he tallied each round and then running to the corner to tell them the score. This I saw with my own eyes. Have you ever seen Don King sitting ringside watching the fight be scored? I�ll answer that for you, NO. And let me clarify. They were not in the first row like I was, they were sitting at the table that is right up against the ring. By the way this is all on tape. I also personally saw the judges signaling to the promoters from across the ring. So to answer your question, THAT is how Cunningham knew what the judges were doing.

5. cryingham never specified what kind of gloves he wanted before the fight. AFTER the fight, he said he wanted Grant gloves. but since he didn�t specify, he was given Everlast.

Again, I would love to know where you got these facts from. Cunningham�s management notified the promoters before even arriving in Poland that he would use Grant gloves. After arriving in Poland, his management fought for two days straight about this topic, which went all the way to the Polish Boxing Commissioner. Because of the fight being just after Thanksgiving, IBF officials could not be reached to make a judgment. At the IBF hearing for a rematch, there was a polish representative who testified that the Polish promoters were not accurately translating the Commissioner�s remarks. In the end, we were forced to use everlast and this determination was made the day before the fight.

So as you can see, your facts are way off. Did you even watch the fight? Steve is a boxer, which takes a lot more skill then standing there and slugging it out for 12 rounds. Maybe that is not the style you prefer, I can understand and respect that. Steve beat Wlodarczyk, but what he lost to was underhandedness and politics and that is not right. Call it what you want, but if you were in the same position, to work so hard for something and overcome so much up to that point and have it taken from you, you would be a fool not to fight for it. These are FACTS coming from someone who was there in person and not from hearsay.

This is a tough business and I only wish that people would only state facts that they know to be true, but I know I am asking too much. But please keep talking, complaining, posting, and what ever else you do about Steve and boxing, because it is all publicity.

Thanks and GOD BLESS YOU.

Elizabeth �USS� Cunningham aka The Mrs.

WOW!!! whatta 1st post.

***** WELCOME Here Ma'am )))))

**adamk1304** · 02-23-2007, 05:34 AM

He's just doing what every member of warriors boxing does when they lose a fight, moan about it for months afterwards. Steve got beat clearly, he was holding like a ***** for the whole fight.

**The Mrs.** · 02-23-2007, 08:13 AM

Hey guys, thanks for all the replys. I appreciate and respect everyone's point of view. Everone is entitled to a an opinion, and I would never want or try to take that away from anyone. But like I said in my first post, my main goal was to set the record straight regarding all the facts being thrown around.

This does not mean much now, but leaving the arena, as well as back at the hotel and airport the next day, we were approached by MANY polish spectators who where outraged by the decision, and thought their man lost. I would also encourage anyone who has an opportunity to watch the fight again, several people have contacted steve on his websitee saying that after watcging the fight again, they truly believe he was robbed.

Hitman - send me your addy on Private message and I'send you a copy of the fight.

AdamK - Steve is a DKP fighter and not affiliated with Warriors at all.

Thanks eveyone and God Bless!

**!!! Beowulf !!!** · 02-23-2007, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by The Mrs.

Hey guys, thanks for all the replys. I appreciate and respect everyone's point of view. Everone is entitled to a an opinion, and I would never want or try to take that away from anyone. But like I said in my first post, my main goal was to set the record straight regarding all the facts being thrown around.

This does not mean much now, but leaving the arena, as well as back at the hotel and airport the next day, we were approached by MANY polish spectators who where outraged by the decision, and thought their man lost. I would also encourage anyone who has an opportunity to watch the fight again, several people have contacted steve on his websitee saying that after watcging the fight again, they truly believe he was robbed.

Hitman - send me your addy on Private message and I'send you a copy of the fight.

AdamK - Steve is a DKP fighter and not affiliated with Warriors at all.

Thanks eveyone and God Bless!

He certainly wasn't robbed. A robbery is Reid vs Ottke or Sturm vs De la Hoya.

Most of the fight was hard to score, but the Pole was surprisingly coming up with the classier punches and seemingly came to fight and to win. Initiating a clinchfest in an opponent's country is just asking for trouble.

Why didn't Don King do more to help Steve? I'm led to believe DKP didn't exactly go out of their way to make the preparations in Poland easier.

**Mr. Ryan** · 02-23-2007, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by The Mrs.

Hey guys, thanks for all the replys. I appreciate and respect everyone's point of view. Everone is entitled to a an opinion, and I would never want or try to take that away from anyone. But like I said in my first post, my main goal was to set the record straight regarding all the facts being thrown around.

This does not mean much now, but leaving the arena, as well as back at the hotel and airport the next day, we were approached by MANY polish spectators who where outraged by the decision, and thought their man lost. I would also encourage anyone who has an opportunity to watch the fight again, several people have contacted steve on his websitee saying that after watcging the fight again, they truly believe he was robbed.

Hitman - send me your addy on Private message and I'send you a copy of the fight.

AdamK - Steve is a DKP fighter and not affiliated with Warriors at all.

Thanks eveyone and God Bless!

Wow, The Mrs. really laid down the law.

Steve "Crybaby" Cunningham