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  • Steak
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    Boxrec's ranking explanation

    Current rating
    Every boxer gets a first rating of 0 before his first bout.
    After every bout, the ratings of the two boxers involved are changed depending on the bout's official result (KO, TKO, RTD, UD, PTS, NWS, MD, SD, DQ, TD, DRAW).
    The value of a result varies between v=1 and v=0.
    The clear decision factor varies between cd=1 and cd=0.
    KO, TKO, RTD are rewarded with full value v=1, cd=1.
    NWS is rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed. Clear decision factor cd=1.
    UD, PTS are rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed, clear decision factor cd=1. This is valid, if the score cards are not available.
    DRAW is rewarded with value v=0 and cd=0.
    MD, SD, DQ, TD are rewarded with half value v=0.5 or a lower value, if the number of rounds boxed is lower than 12 rounds, clear decision factor cd=0.5. This is valid, if the score cards are not available.
    If the score cards are available, the value rewarded is in relation to the mean score difference per judge. A mean score difference of 6 points or more per judge is rewarded with relative full value v=1. The maximum value is also in relation to the rounds boxed, with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more. The clear decision factor is in proportion to rounds boxed and the mean score difference per judge. cd=1 for mean score difference divided by a sixth of rounds boxed greater or equal 1.
    All bouts are regarded to have the same weight independent of titles.
    The winner gets a certain part of the opponent's points and additionaly a certain part of the rating difference to the opponent's rating. The winner gets 10 additional points, if his opponent's rating is higher than a quarter of his own rating.
    For a DRAW the rating of the higher rated boxer is reduced by some part of the point difference; the rating of the lower rated boxer is enhanced by the same amount of points.
    The full relative point win is 34.5%.
    The part for reduction of ratings difference is between 11.5% for full value and 34.5 % for a draw.
    The rating of a boxer is reduced by 25%, if he didn't box an opponent with a rating of at least 25% of his own rating points within 18 months.
    The rating of a boxer is reduced by an increasing value of 0% to 50% for every time period of inactivity of 12 to 18 months.
    A boxer is regarded to have an home advantage, if he has already fought a minimum of two bouts in the country, where the current bout is taking place. The rating of the a boxer with home advantage is assumed to be at 140% for the calculation of the point wins, his opponent's rating is assumed to be at 70% for the calculation of the point wins.
    The ratings are decreased for moving up to higher weight divisions by the square of the reciprocal ratio of the weights limits of the divisions - and they are increased by the same factor for moving down the divisions.
    The ratings are equalized between divisions in relation to average points of the boxers ranked #9, #10 and #11 in a division.
    Formula

    If a boxer with a rating of r_a before the fight defeats a boxer b with a rating of r_b before the fight with result of value v and clear decision factor cl the new ratings r_a_new and r_b_new after a fight are:

    r_a_new = r_a + 0.345*v*r_b + 0.345/(1+2*cl)*(r_b - r_a)
    r_b_new = r_b - 0.345*v*r_b - 0.345/(1+2*cl)*(r_b - r_a)
    Examples

    Boxer a KO boxer b, a has 1000 points, b has 500 points. v=1, cl=1.

    r_a_new = 1000 + 0.345*1*500 + 0.345/(1+2*1)*(500 - 1000) + 10 = 1125
    r_b_new = 500 - 115 = 385
    Boxer a KO boxer b, a has 1000 points, b has 500 points. v=1, cl=1. Boxer b has the home advantage.

    For the calculation the rating of boxer b is assumed to be 500*1.4 = 700
    For the calculation the rating of boxer a is assumed to be 1000*0.7 = 700
    r_a_new = 1000 + 0.345*1*700 + 0.345/(1+2*1)*(700 - 700) + 10 = 1252
    r_b_new = 500 - 242 = 258

    Boxer a UD 6 boxer b, scores 59:55 58:56 58:56, a has 1000 points, b has 500 points.

    UD is rewarded with v=1 at maximum
    A 6 rounder is rewarded with value 6/12 at maximum v=0.5
    mean score difference per judge is (4+2+2)/3 = 2.667, which is rewarded with value 2.667/6 at maximum = 0.445
    so v=0.445
    close decision factor is in relation to rounds boxed 12/6, so cl=0.89
    r_a_new = 1000 + 0.345*0.445*500 + 0.345/(1+2*0.89)*(500 - 1000) +10 = 1025
    r_b_new = 500+15= 485
    Boxer a SD 4 boxer b, scores 39:37 39:37 37:39, a has 1000 points, b has 500 points

    SD is rewarded with v=0.5 at maximum
    A 4 rounder SD is rewarded with 0.5/12*4 at maximum v=0.167
    mean score difference per judge is (2+2-2)/3 = 0.667, which is rewarded with 0.667/6 at maximum v=0.111
    close decision factor is in relation to rounds boxed 12/4, so cl=0.333
    r_a_new = 1000 + 0.345*0.111*500 + 0.345/(1+2*0.333)*(500 - 1000) +10 = 926
    r_b_new = 500+66 = 566
    [edit]All Time Ratings
    The All Time Ratings show the average of the best 5 annual ratings in the division assigned by the editors.
    http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph...gs_Description

    Its not really like anyone follows or cares about boxrec's rankings, and arent exactly taken seriouslyat all...but at least these explains somewhat where they get their rankings from.

    Some of the calculations they us are weird...but I guess its a good idea...in theory at least.
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    Last edited by Steak; 02-11-2011, 03:38 AM.
  • Run
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    It's flawed and will never NOT be.

    There are too many variables to make an accurate plot regarding someone's actual ranking or abilities.

    The system assumes all opposition is equal, or isn't equal based on the number of wins and losses they possess.

    That's why a guy like Ricardo Torres was ranked so high....he knocked out over 20 people straight. Little did the computer care that 18 of them had never fought in a professional fight before....and worked day jobs as total cab drivers.



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    • FeelTheA-Force
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      #3
      Originally posted by RunW/Knives
      It's flawed and will never NOT be.

      There are too many variables to make an accurate plot regarding someone's actual ranking or abilities.

      The system assumes all opposition is equal, or isn't equal based on the number of wins and losses they possess.

      That's why a guy like Ricardo Torres was ranked so high....he knocked out over 20 people straight. Little did the computer care that 18 of them had never fought in a professional fight before....and worked day jobs as total cab drivers.
      are boxing organisations influenced by boxrec.?

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      • Run
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        #4
        Originally posted by audley
        are boxing organisations influenced by boxrec.?
        Boxing Organizations are influenced by money and payoffs.

        If Boxrec was as corrupt as real boxing is.....guys like Hasim Rahman would always be ranked #1 at Heavyweight because King would keep it that way.



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        • OptimusWolf
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          I'd definitely agree that the system is flawed, but I don't see any reason why an decent standard analyst with a v good knowledge of boxing couldn't get it right. Give PwC a million and second Burt Sugar and I'm sure it could be sorted out.

          But right now it sucks. In Cricket there is a very well respected ratings system based on scores, results, strength of opposition on an individual and team level etc. Boxing isn't as complicated in the technical respect as cricket IMO

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          • Run
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            #6
            Originally posted by OptimusWolf
            I'd definitely agree that the system is flawed, but I don't see any reason why an decent standard analyst with a v good knowledge of boxing couldn't get it right. Give PwC a million and second Burt Sugar and I'm sure it could be sorted out.
            Those rankings would be tainted full of bias though. Sugar has been known to pick favorites, and let's face it. Imagine if Larry Merchant was allowed to make a list? He'd crowd it full of guys that don't belong there.

            Mayorga, Gatti, Ward, etc....he'd load it full of guys he found exciting that he wants to watch fight again. He's openly expressed his discontent for Hopkins and Wright's styles at points....and asked the question a million times which was "Why do people want to watch this"

            I'm also sure there are just people who are informed differently....who should be in no position to rank fighters. The most solid example of that I can use would be how Brit fight fans rank Calzaghe and/or Hatton at the top of their P4P lists. That's clearly a National bias because neither fighter has done anything to warrant a spot anywhere near the top.



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            • Fighting Cougar
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              #7
              Originally posted by RunW/Knives
              Boxing Organizations are influenced by money and payoffs.

              If Boxrec was as corrupt as real boxing is.....guys like Hasim Rahman would always be ranked #1 at Heavyweight because King would keep it that way.
              Well said.

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