You make your won desicion about PBF resume...

**Kball15** · 12-31-2006, 04:51 PM

werent the mitchell judah and baldy fights at 147?

and judah was #1 at welter when they were supposed to meet, and since everyone took the baldy loss as a fluke, It was still acceptable that floyd take the money and fight judah

**Orishaman** · 12-31-2006, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by kfootball15

werent the mitchell judah and baldy fights at 147?

and judah was #1 at welter when they were supposed to meet, and since everyone took the baldy loss as a fluke, It was still acceptable that floyd take the money and fight judah

They are there....read please....!!!!

**Njord777** · 12-31-2006, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by Orishaman

They are there....read please....!!!!

I think was he was saying is that, in your list, the Judah and Balodmir fights look like they're under the 140 heading.

Anyway, I think Floyd had a pretty good career at the lower weights. He was doing decently. I mean- almost no fighter takes on solely top ranked fighters and honestly there weren't many at 130 that Floyd evaded. He took on pretty much everything out there.

Admittedly, he has faced the weaker names at the higher weights. It does look a bit suspect. We'll see where he goes from here.

**Orishaman** · 12-31-2006, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Njord777

I think was he was saying is that, in your list, the Judah and Balodmir fights look like they're under the 140 heading.

Anyway, I think Floyd had a pretty good career at the lower weights. He was doing decently. I mean- almost no fighter takes on solely top ranked fighters and honestly there weren't many at 130 that Floyd evaded. He took on pretty much everything out there.

Admittedly, he has faced the weaker names at the higher weights. It does look a bit suspect. We'll see where he goes from here.

Popo and Casa were available...to not leave roon for questions....

**ThaHorseman** · 12-31-2006, 05:09 PM

Two things you have wrong:

1. Floyd didn't get floored against Hernandez. He hit Hernandez with a right and hurt his hand. It was the 1st time he had hurt it that bad and went down on a knee, thus a KD. He didn't even get hit with a punch.
2. N'Dou was not at the end of his career. He was diagnosed with some disease (I forget what it was) and was forced to retire. He could've been killed had he fought again.

As for the guys he didn't fight, he would've demolished Johnston (just my opinion, but I think everyone would agree), Hatton turned him down, Arum said he wouldn't put Cotto in the rind with him (at the time), and Tszyu was a possibility. I don't know if Kostya was ever offered a fight, but Floyd had talked about fighting him before Hatton beat him and even to a lesser extent since.
Good analysis other than those few things. Thanks for taking the time to do it.

**Rockin'** · 12-31-2006, 05:16 PM

Thats a nice resume man, you can hate all that you want to but thats a good resume......................Rockin'

**Orishaman** · 12-31-2006, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by ThaHorseman

Two things you have wrong:

1. Floyd didn't get floored against Hernandez. He hit Hernandez with a right and hurt his hand. It was the 1st time he had hurt it that bad and went down on a knee, thus a KD. He didn't even get hit with a punch.
2. N'Dou was not at the end of his career. He was diagnosed with some disease (I forget what it was) and was forced to retire. He could've been killed had he fought again.

As for the guys he didn't fight, he would've demolished Johnston (just my opinion, but I think everyone would agree), Hatton turned him down, Arum said he wouldn't put Cotto in the rind with him (at the time), and Tszyu was a possibility. I don't know if Kostya was ever offered a fight, but Floyd had talked about fighting him before Hatton beat him and even to a lesser extent since.
Good analysis other than those few things. Thanks for taking the time to do it.

I agree, it was his hand.....Ndou was already ill when he fought PBF, nevertheless he was not top shelf....

**Kball15** · 12-31-2006, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by Orishaman

Popo and Casa were available...to not leave roon for questions....

but corrales had beaten both... and he beat corrales... Maybe he sould have gone for Casa, but No need to go after popo at the time. And wasnt popo fighting casa and castillo at that time?

And yes, i did mean u had mitchel, judah, and baldy all under 140 when he fought them at 147

**Crazy Dude** · 12-31-2006, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by Orishaman

k, lets examine the evidence, the following are key wins on PBF career:
(BTW this is NOT a hate thread of any kind, I have spend sometime putting this thread together trying to examine his career and his top competition at the time as he gathered his titles at 130, 135, 140 and 147..so please if you are going to reply, keep it to facts and analysis...not simple to ****** comments)

130 lbs:

Genaro Hernandez: dominating the far more experience Hernandez showed everyone that PBF was force to recken with�total dominance, now Hernandez was for all practical purpose at the end of his career in fact this was his last fight.

Angel Manfredy: a good fighter B type fighter that became champ, tough, but taylor made for PBF, and one that through out his career, lost to all A type fighters he face�

Ramon Rios: again a B type fighter, plenty of experience but not skills to deal with PBF

Juunku: tough FIGHTER FROM Uganda, in similar fashion to all African boxers tough, yet not enough talent to deal with PBF�..B type fighter, again never beat an A type fighter.

Gregorio Vargas: good solid win for PBF, Vargas was tough and PBF boxed the pants out of him�.

Chico Corrales: the second feather on PBF cap, no doubt, Chico perhaps a little to wet behind the ears to face the mastery of PBF nevertheless an impressive win.

Carlos Hernandez: another good win for PBF, yet he got floored for the first time , easy win. Hernandez again not beating the A type boxers he faced on his carrer

Jesus Chavez: the 3rd feather on PBF cap, beat him easily dominating a good good fighter.

Now the question here is clear : what big JRLW names are missing here- Popo Freitas and El Cepillo �why not clean the division before moving to 135

135lbs:

Castillo I & II : 2 great fights second weightclass he claimed. Another feather on his cap�

Sosa: impressive record but against who�B type fighter at best�.fought chumps before and after PBF..

Ndou: good fighter at the end of his career, PBF took care of business.

Again more of the same�.Stevie Johnston�why not fight him, the division was depleated of talent that time and Castillo and Johnston was it!!

140lbs

Chop Chop: another cap on his feather, top competition

Brussels: not great competion, good record but against who�win the eliminator

Gatti: a shot B class fighter, who never beat an A type boxer, we all agree he overwhelm Gatti, to win 3rd title

Mitchell: a shot fighter, not even a fight�.

Judah: beat a talented Judah, no doubt another feather on his cap�.

Tata Baldomir: wins his 4th title, a tough fighter totally dominate Tata with ease�.

Now, again who are the top 140lbs at the time: Hatton, Cotto, Tszyu

You can call me hater or what ever you would like but the evidence is listed above and it is hard refute..

PBF had a chance to become something very special in boxing, yes very special, but for some reason, he evaded the heavier road obstacles and opted for the money�He had greatness within his grasp at JRLW, LW and JRWW�.yet he kept skipping�and now he wants the greatness handed to him on a silver platter against an aging ODLH and it is not going to happened�.he will beat ODLH but that ATG recognition he wants will still elude him�

It's a great resume. Not a #1PFP resume though.

You make your won desicion about PBF resume...