**How intimidating you look, doesn;t win fights**

[oldgringo]

Toney was great in the early 90s and also had a resurgence when he fought Jirov. He has not been one of the best throughout the last 15 years though.

Somehow this isn't a shock.

His early career from '88 - '94 was GREAT...

His resurgence after the tough losses against Jones and Griffin was tough as he struggled with weight and bad decisions (see Griffin II)...

His comeback after that ugly Thadzi fight was also pretty special. What he's doing right now is special. ('99 - present)

Come on now...

[Super_Lightweight]

In the early 90s he was great. Didn't really do anything in the 80s that people remember. Williams and McCallum were the early fights that made him.

Then, when he resurged at cruiserweight with Goosen, he was also very good. Toney was in no way great for the past 15 years. He was great at different times over the last 15 years, but not year in and year out.

[oldgringo]

In the early 90s he was great. Didn't really do anything in the 80s that people remember. Williams and McCallum were the early fights that made him.

Then, when he resurged at cruiserweight with Goosen, he was also very good. Toney was in no way great for the past 15 years. He was great at different times over the last 15 years, but not year in and year out.

Well who really has been in that case?

[Super_Lightweight]

Well who really has been in that case?

Hardly anyone.

Few fighters are ranked top ten p4p over a period of 15 years. It just does not happen. Roy was there for about 10 years or so if I'm right, and Oscar was probably there for 7-8 years? Dunno...would have to look at the rankings.

[oldgringo]

Hardly anyone.

Few fighters are ranked top ten p4p over a period of 15 years. It just does not happen. Roy was there for about 10 years or so if I'm right, and Oscar was probably there for 7-8 years? Dunno...would have to look at the rankings.

Well going off the ring p4p rankings wouldn't exactly be grounds to say that one fighter has been GREAT year in and year out for that last 15 years as was being debated. In that case...nobody has. Oscar has had close calls, controversy and losses ever since he fought Quartey. Jones was great for about 10 years...from Hopkins to Ruiz...but he even had minor blowups.

[Super_Lightweight]

I think the Ring is a fine standard for that. They update their ratings often and if you rebound from a loss with a good win then you are right back in there. There is no better criteria looking at the fractured titles and their different top 10 ratings. At least the Ring has a consensus.

Obviously you can be a great fighter and not have to be great for 10 years straight. At least Toney is still here. That's more than can be said for Liles, McClellan, Benn, Eubank, and Roy himself.

[Rockin']

I remember walking to the ring to fight this guy that I didnt know. I was in the red corner and when Im walking out I hear all kinds of calls for people wanting the blue corner. I was like whats up man. I look into the ring and see this muscle bound man, I was 16 or so at the time, and man did he look intimidating. Anyway, we got rollin' and he couldnt lay a glove on me, I controled it from bell to bell.

Let the muscle heads run around looking tough, most do it for ego for people to believe that they are bad. I say instead of bulking up for people to think your bad just learn to box and they will know that your bad, and so will you.................Rockin'