Would you say that PBF is a top 50 ATG?

**Kball15** · 12-26-2006, 03:26 PM

Talent wise i would think it would be arguable...

But he certainly hasnt fought the opposition to prove he deserves to be anywhere in the top 50.

And if he sticks to his words of retiring after DLH, then no, no he wont ever be top 50.

If goes on to beat Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, Margarito, and possibly Williams, the I would think he could make, depending on how he beats these guys.

Like if he struggles with all these guys, the prolly not. But if he takes out a couple of them in round 1, then hell yea. lol

**The Surgeon** · 12-26-2006, 03:28 PM

Id say yeah

**Orishaman** · 12-26-2006, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by kfootball15

Talent wise i would think it would be arguable...

But he certainly hasnt fought the opposition to prove he deserves to be anywhere in the top 50.

And if he sticks to his words of retiring after DLH, then no, no he wont ever be top 50.

If goes on to beat Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, Margarito, and possibly Williams, the I would think he could make, depending on how he beats these guys.

Like if he struggles with all these guys, the prolly not. But if he takes out a couple of them in round 1, then hell yea. lol

Very refreshing reading someone that actually knows what they are talking about...Kudo!!!!

**Chups** · 12-26-2006, 03:32 PM

I don't think so....there's too many greats since the 1900's. Although he can still do something about it, I doubt he'd do.

**Chipper** · 12-26-2006, 03:39 PM

if he beats DLH and doesn't retire and goes on to beat the guys kfootball15 mentioned then he'll be a top 50 ATG

**Orishaman** · 12-26-2006, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by Nickman949

if he beats DLH and doesn't retire and goes on to beat the guys kfootball15 mentioned then he'll be a top 50 ATG

Beating ODLH will not do anything for his ATG status, IMO!!!

**Keleneki** · 12-26-2006, 03:46 PM

Talent, skill and reflex wise, I believe he is. I just wish he would have taken on all comers a bit more in the recent years. Although he is definitely fighting above his opimum weight. I always had the idea that even if he would have taken a few lesser purses, he more than likely would have beaten all those names or no names. In the long run I imagined that would have netted him more money. I could quite easily be wrong though, as my mind and imagination take me to some wild places sometimes.

**Orishaman** · 12-26-2006, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by Keleneki

Talent, skill and reflex wise, I believe he is. I just wish he would have taken on all comers a bit more in the recent years. Although he is definitely fighting above his opimum weight. I always had the idea that even if he would have taken a few lesser purses, he more than likely would have beaten all those names or no names. In the long run I imagined that would have netted him more money. I could quite easily be wrong though, as my mind and imagination take me to some wild places sometimes.

IMO talent, skils and reflexes has nothing to do if you are an ATG or not......is what you have accomplished inside the ropes that count...not in the gym

**Keleneki** · 12-26-2006, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by Orishaman

IMO talent, skils and reflexes has nothing to do if you are an ATG or not......is what you have accomplished inside the ropes that count...not in the gym

I agree with you. I am trying to sound too eloquent or something, on top of being very tired.

To finish my thought, or perhaps, to confuse myself even more ... I do not believe that he is in the top 50. If he stayed at the lower weights and totally cleaned out the division(s), instead of moving up (not that I blame him), I believe that it would be pretty hard to debate him being one of the best.

Regards and nighty night, although it is 11 AM. o_O

Would you say that PBF is a top 50 ATG?