Rewatching the Wright-Taylor Fight

[Stromprophet]

I have to say that I am a huge Winky fan. I know he doesn't knock guys out or anyting, but he has a beautiful right lead jab. Quick. It comes right out of his gaurd and goes right back to his gaurd. That's great technique, most people let it drop when they start to get tired, but Wright kept his gaurd up the whole fight.

This fight was a close fight. The very first time I scored the fight 116-112 for Wright.

I have a feeling I was letting my bias of my scoring get the best of me. I truly count defense, skill, connect %, ring generalship. I definitely count these more than power.

Boy, this fight was a se-saw back and forth fight. Technical skill vs. Power. The scoring was tough in some rounds and other rounds.

Watching it the second time. I gave it 115-113 for Wright. But it really depends on how you score the last round. Wink movied in and out, used his jab, threw some left crosses with that. The only part of the round Winky didn't take was the last 20 seconds, cause he kind of danced.

But most of the round, he came forward, in and out. Taylor only throws 1 flurry of power punches in the round. I just can't give that round to Taylor, other than that he never threw a flurry, and only punched when he got attacked, and even then he didn't land.

It was an excellent fight. A lot more aggressive than most people expected.

During the fight things would happen, like Jim Lamply saying "Wrights hurt! He's hurt!" In the 3rd or 4th round when it was not at all the case.

Wright would shell up when Taylor would start to try to throw bombs and everyone was thinking Wright was getting hurt because he wouldn't return fire for a little bit. But he was just being smart, why try to open up when you can easily withstand the flurry and wait for Taylor to unload and get tired?

I even disagree with the concubox numbers for Taylor in this fight because he didn't land nearly as many punches as they were crediting to him. A ton of his punches were hitting elbows, arm, gloves. And the announcers (Jim Lamply mostly) would keep saying "Taylor just landed a straght right" and then in the replay you can clearly see the straights no getting thru Winks gaurd.

Time to get some glasses guys. Larry, Jim, everyone...

It was a very entertaining fight though. It's become obvious to me that Winky doesn't have knockout power against elite fighters. Given the fact that he basically tatood Trinidad their whole fight but didn't put him away.

But it's also obvious to me that Taylor has picked up some bad habits. (Even under Steward...)

He's not using his jab. Which is a staple of most of Stewards fighters. Taylor has practically went away from his jab at all now to just shooting straights and power combinations. And now, we don't know if Jermaine still has KO power against elite or good fighters...

Maybe we will see a rematch one day, but I doubt it. As it looks like Jermaine wants to move up to challenge Calzahge.

[Super_Lightweight]

Regardless of Winky's guard being up, he was still getting damaged by shots and Taylor's blows were getting through with enough frequency to make the fight close.

[americanspirit]

I have to say that I am a huge Winky fan. I know he doesn't knock guys out or anyting, but he has a beautiful right lead jab. Quick. It comes right out of his gaurd and goes right back to his gaurd. That's great technique, most people let it drop when they start to get tired, but Wright kept his gaurd up the whole fight.

This fight was a close fight. The very first time I scored the fight 116-112 for Wright.

I have a feeling I was letting my bias of my scoring get the best of me. I truly count defense, skill, connect %, ring generalship. I definitely count these more than power.

Boy, this fight was a se-saw back and forth fight. Technical skill vs. Power. The scoring was tough in some rounds and other rounds.

Watching it the second time. I gave it 115-113 for Wright. But it really depends on how you score the last round. Wink movied in and out, used his jab, threw some left crosses with that. The only part of the round Winky didn't take was the last 20 seconds, cause he kind of danced.

But most of the round, he came forward, in and out. Taylor only throws 1 flurry of power punches in the round. I just can't give that round to Taylor, other than that he never threw a flurry, and only punched when he got attacked, and even then he didn't land.

It was an excellent fight. A lot more aggressive than most people expected.

During the fight things would happen, like Jim Lamply saying "Wrights hurt! He's hurt!" In the 3rd or 4th round when it was not at all the case.

Wright would shell up when Taylor would start to try to throw bombs and everyone was thinking Wright was getting hurt because he wouldn't return fire for a little bit. But he was just being smart, why try to open up when you can easily withstand the flurry and wait for Taylor to unload and get tired?

I even disagree with the concubox numbers for Taylor in this fight because he didn't land nearly as many punches as they were crediting to him. A ton of his punches were hitting elbows, arm, gloves. And the announcers (Jim Lamply mostly) would keep saying "Taylor just landed a straght right" and then in the replay you can clearly see the straights no getting thru Winks gaurd.

Time to get some glasses guys. Larry, Jim, everyone...

It was a very entertaining fight though. It's become obvious to me that Winky doesn't have knockout power against elite fighters. Given the fact that he basically tatood Trinidad their whole fight but didn't put him away.

But it's also obvious to me that Taylor has picked up some bad habits. (Even under Steward...)

He's not using his jab. Which is a staple of most of Stewards fighters. Taylor has practically went away from his jab at all now to just shooting straights and power combinations. And now, we don't know if Jermaine still has KO power against elite or good fighters...

Maybe we will see a rematch one day, but I doubt it. As it looks like Jermaine wants to move up to challenge Calzahge.

Wow, Strom.

Every word, I agree with every word.

[Stromprophet]

Regardless of Winky's guard being up, he was still getting damaged by shots and Taylor's blows were getting through with enough frequency to make the fight close.

If you put it in slow mo you will see the majority did not. Thus why his connect % by concubox was only 20% for the whole fight...but I believe it was even less than that...but I guess I will trust those number guys.

You have to consider though, they can count a power punch as landed even if it was partially blocked, which the majority of Taylors punches were partially blocked.

A lot of Winks punches were sharp and clearly hit, mostly because Taylor never kept his left up.
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The brusing Wink got in the fight were from his own gloves being punched into his face. Not from Taylor landed shots. Which is impressive, but should not be counting as scoring. If you punch a guys arm into his face with his own glove that does not count for anything IMO, even if it does damage.

Boxing is about being able to land punches without getting hit yourself. And that is not a landed punch.

I do agree the fight was close. If you will read all what I said, I think it was much closer than I initially thought. I barely give it 115-113 to Wright. And only because of my opinion of the last round, Taylor never initiated any offense in that round, Wink was first, and initiated first so I gave him the round.
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I don't know if we're being too harsh on Taylor or not. He has fought some really hard fights, but it doesn't appear to me, even under Stewards tutelage that he is progressing as a fighter.

He seemed content to back up to land against Ouma and then grab him as he came in. Taylor was the bigger guy by a ton, he should have went to work backing Ouma up and making him eat hard punches. If he would have simply choose to throw stiff hard jabs he would have disrupted Ouma and then could have landed big shots, as it was (and it appears to be his current direction) he only wants to land power shots.

[Super_Lightweight]

Taylor was able to do his damage landing less than Wright did. That's no shocker. No one would try to say that Taylor landed the majority of his shots. Most fights in general don't see a guy land 50+ percent of his shots.

[Stromprophet]

Taylor was able to do his damage landing less than Wright did. That's no shocker. No one would try to say that Taylor landed the majority of his shots. Most fights in general don't see a guy land 50+ percent of his shots.

Yeah, I do know that. I'm just saying, Taylors damage was from him puching Winks gloves into Winks face. Which in my book, frankly does not count.

I think Winks connect % was something close to 40% though. Spelling out a clear lack of defense on Taylors part.

Still a close fight, very close. Not as one sided as I had once believe myself.

[Super_Lightweight]

As long as you do damage, it counts, period. Only in the amatuers is the scoring set up so whoever lands the most punches wins. Taylor did damage by forcing Wink's gloves apart, hitting him hard in the gloves, and going to the body now and then. Taylor's defense needs work. He could have won clearly if he had any kind of respect for Wink's power, but he does not so he does not cover up...plus he is just lazy defensively. The rematch needs to happen soon because Wink is aging.

[Stromprophet]

As long as you do damage, it counts, period. Only in the amatuers is the scoring set up so whoever lands the most punches wins. Taylor did damage by forcing Wink's gloves apart, hitting him hard in the gloves, and going to the body now and then. Taylor's defense needs work. He could have won clearly if he had any kind of respect for Wink's power, but he does not so he does not cover up...plus he is just lazy defensively. The rematch needs to happen soon because Wink is aging.

I guess I can agree to a point. My personal opinion is that judges today look too much for power. Thus when it "looks" like a hard shot does damage and it really didn't they put too much weight on it.

I rewatched this fight very intently and got my scoring pad out. At no time ever in this fight was winky "hurt" There were a few times when he was "paused" by a good punch. And he would simply cover up and let Taylor unload all his punches and keep going right at him.

I agree. If it doesn't happen this year, it's not going to happen. Wink will have everything to lose and Taylor will have nothing to gain. So he beat a guy that was 35, that's what people will say.

[PRboxingfan]

I still have Taylor winning that fight 115-113.

Look how bad Winky looks after the fight. He's never looked that beat up. How can you say that Taylor's power punches did not go through?

[Kball15]

Winky can punch pretty good, he just doesnt dedicate himself to a singlepunch ever, and he never pushes himself to get that KO when he can keep it safe and get the decision