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  • The Surgeon
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    #21
    Originally posted by americanspirit
    Truly, I would give Tyson a healthier mind. I met the guy once and he was extremely gracious and friendly. He was not a mean man. I think he suffers incredibly..
    U met Mike Tyson? Lucky Bastard! I was totally skint for his Dinner speach thing in Britan, gutted! Anyway Id give Roy Jones Jnr a chin coz im a big fan but the dudes got glass for a chin!

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    • Super_Lightweight
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      #22
      Roy's chin used to be sufficient, but it only takes one brutal KO to mess your head for good. That's why I would give Roy the body he had before he came down from heavyweight, because that body was strong and he would have never lost to Tarver with that body.

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        #23
        Originally posted by Super_Lightweight
        Roy's chin used to be sufficient, but it only takes one brutal KO to mess your head for good. That's why I would give Roy the body he had before he came down from heavyweight, because that body was strong and he would have never lost to Tarver with that body.
        Fair point but i dunno man, his chin was never really tested befofe

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          #24
          If you check his fights with Woods, Del Valle, and Hopkins, you will see small points in the fight where he was hit hard and cleanly. Against Woods he took it well, vs a big and strong lightheavy with a high KO percentage. Against Del Valle he was knocked down but got up immediately and continued winning the fight. Against Hopkins he was hit cleanly perhaps more than in any other fight, and dealt well with it.

          He was never in a drag out war, but he was hit on the chin enough for us to know that his chin was stable. When you lose muscle mass though, it affects your ability to take a punch. The dehydration associated with Roy making weight after Ruiz also affects your ability to deal with punches. Plus, one must consider that Roy started boxing at 154 lbs. So with all that in mind, is it really fair to say that Roy always had a bad chin just because he got stopped in his mid 30s, 3 divisions north of his starting weight, by a powerful lightheavyweight?

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          • loui_ludwig
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            #25
            I wish Pac had a great defense.

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            • The Surgeon
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              #26
              Originally posted by Super_Lightweight
              If you check his fights with Woods, Del Valle, and Hopkins, you will see small points in the fight where he was hit hard and cleanly. Against Woods he took it well, vs a big and strong lightheavy with a high KO percentage. Against Del Valle he was knocked down but got up immediately and continued winning the fight. Against Hopkins he was hit cleanly perhaps more than in any other fight, and dealt well with it.

              He was never in a drag out war, but he was hit on the chin enough for us to know that his chin was stable. When you lose muscle mass though, it affects your ability to take a punch. The dehydration associated with Roy making weight after Ruiz also affects your ability to deal with punches. Plus, one must consider that Roy started boxing at 154 lbs. So with all that in mind, is it really fair to say that Roy always had a bad chin just because he got stopped in his mid 30s, 3 divisions north of his starting weight, by a powerful lightheavyweight?
              Very good points! I remember watching the Del Valle fight, and yeah he got tagged by a peach! Did well to get up and dominate. Cant remember off the top of my head him getting hit solid in the Woods or the Hopkins fight, ive got his career on dvd i'll check. But yeah ur def rite, droppin muscle mass like that isnt wise and he was above his peak weight, goodpost.

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              • Super_Lightweight
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                #27
                Of course, now his chin is pretty bad. I think everyone knows that. Plus he has lost a bit of swagger.



                The devolution of Roy's body was something he did to himself, for no other reason than pure pride and ego. He never had to come back down from 200 lbs.

                Last edited by Super_Lightweight; 12-25-2006, 03:02 PM.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Super_Lightweight
                  Of course, now his chin is pretty bad. I think everyone knows that. Plus he has lost a bit of swagger.
                  He will never be ROY JONES JNR again but he still beats alot of very good fighters!

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                    #29
                    kolitschko a chin

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                    • Del Coqui
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by loui_ludwig
                      I wish Pac had a great defense.
                      Many experts say the best deffense is a good offense, he does have a great offense.

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