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    Mayweather – Fighting a losing battle [good article]

    Mayweather – Fighting a losing battle
    By Rob Scott

    He was the best in the sport, but not the best in the welterweight division, a contradiction that only can happen in the sport of boxing. But after watching Floyd Mayweather’s masterful performance against defending champion, Carlos Baldomir, I once again felt a strong sense of boxing déjà vu. I immediately thought back to HBO’s countdown show leading up to the ‘87 showdown with ‘Marvelous’ Marvin Hagler vs. ‘Sugar’ Ray Leonard. In that telecast, Hagler, who had been the undisputed middleweight champion for close to seven years, and who had only lost twice in sixty-six fights – the last being eleven years prior but was later avenged, asked the question,
    “What do I have to do to get credit – kill somebody?”

    For twelve rounds ‘Pretty Boy’ Floyd Mayweather killed the will of the defending champion, Baldomir, by doing what a boxer is suppose to do – hit and don’t get hit. This tactic, while satisfying some boxing pundits, didn’t kill, but rather created just as many negative opinions about the new champion.

    For sometime now, Floyd Mayweather’s status has been dissected by boxing’s literary scientists, and at the same time being given questionable added votes as if it was a padded election. Standing back and listening to the varied opinions on Mayweather, I can’t help but ask, which side is right in their assessments? Believe it or not, I say all have made their points.

    With that being said, you may call me a fence straddler if you wish, but if you have read anything from me, you would know that there is a peeve that I have with those who reside on either side of that subliminal fence, only to give undeserved kudos or not give deserved credit when it is rightfully do.

    Every man is great in his dreams, and Floyd Mayweather definitely feels that he is being slept on when it comes to a certain level of praise. This sense of worth makes Mayweather fight even more in defense of perception than that of anything else. It’s a fight that is proving to be his toughest battle.

    Instead of some wanting to pull Mayweather back down to earth, some just want to shoot down Mayweather’s status and say his act is all smoke and mirrors. Going into his bout with Baldomir, this was labeled Floyd’s toughest challenge to date by not only HBO, but by a multitude of writers. After Mayweather’s easy performance, there have been those who want to take credit for being the one who thought it would be as easy an affair as it turned out to be, thus taking away deserved credit that is due to Mayweather.

    The truth of the matter is he is the best in the game right now. He has accumulated a, 37 – 0, (24), record that no one can truly say was padded. He hasn’t ducked anyone, including Antonio Margarito, whose own resume, whether anyone admits it or not, would leave the door open for Mayweather’s detractors to again trivialize his accomplishments if these two happen to meet and Mayweather puts on a dominating performance.

    With that being said, Mayweather definitely deserves a great deal of credit, but by him coming out and saying he is the best ever, even over the great ‘Sugar’ Ray Robinson?

    Some look at that as proof positive that over the years Mayweather may have been hit more than even the naked eye could see.

    That was the classic case of too much kudos, even if self said. It’s self-bravado like that, which has brought a certain bit of backlash also from people who take offense similar to when Larry Holmes made the statement that “Rocky Marciano couldn’t carry my jockstrap.”

    Mayweather is very good, maybe even great at this young age, but the best ever? To that, I can’t be on his defense team. Just that notion makes older followers of the game volunteer to be on the jury, just to give Mayweather a guilty verdict – guilty of blasphemy. It’s blasphemy in their eyes because fighters like the aforementioned named greats like Robinson, Leonard, etc. are considered God-like to many.

    It’s a fight that Mayweather may never win in his lifetime, as these fighters have reached legendary status, while the book on Mayweather is still being written. He may think that a page in the story of Floyd Mayweather is a good sight, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

    Historically, fans have been drawn to the blood and guts type of encounters, like Gatti vs. Ward, Graziano vs. Zale, Morales vs. Barrera and many more. People paid to see these fights and were more than happy to pay to see these fighters go at it again and again. This truth is evident when you hear some actually placing Manny Pacquiao on top of their respective P4P lists after his third round destruction over Eric Morales in their third meeting.

    That in its self is a case of that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, because while these fighters took and still take the blood and guts route, Mayweather takes what he feels is a boxing and brains path. That’s a preference that has been his, but while he may feel he deserves a fifty-fifty share of the purse with Oscar DeLaHoya, Mayweather’s resume isn’t filled with too many of the paying audience’s type of encounters. This is a reason DeLaHoya is set to walk away with a reported $25 million, while Mayweather will pocket $12 million. It will be much more than he has ever earned, but it’s not what the present P4P king feels he is worth.

    Bottom line, well at least in this case, the customer is right, as they pay to see what they like. But there is a sad reality with these fighters that have staged these wars; in essence, they had to stage these wars. To come up off the floor and make a dramatic comeback is one thing, but Mayweather has been skillful enough that he hasn’t had to face that same adversity. He has been head and shoulders above his competition, an accomplishment that some fail to acknowledge.

    Even Ali wasn’t truly considered the greatest until the sunset on his career; Mayweather will be no different. When the final chapter is written in the Mayweather saga, then and only then, should he or even his most stern critic, make their final assessment. It’s just the way things are, no matter what he or anyone else may want or believe.

    Mayweather is learning the hard way that he may be blessed, but even if the All Mighty sent him to earth as another begotten son, he still would never make anyone say “Jesus who?” Mayweather won’t overshadow those that came before him; that’s a fight he should just very well throw in the towel.

    In the case of Mayweather, it seems that the opinions from both ends don’t give a reflection of the overall picture. The fence that I walk on like a tight rope, says that Mayweather is great, just not as great as he thinks he is.

    Who knows, Mayweather just may be boxing’s version of Albert Einstein. When I say that, I think of Einstein’s childhood story in which he was thought of as, let’s just say, less than a bright child. We all now know to the contrary, that he in fact was so intelligent that mere childhood teachings were beneath him. Is Mayweather mindless in thinking he is in the class or above a ‘Sugar’ Ray Robinson? Or is he as good as he says he is, and we’re just not seeing it?

    My prediction? We won’t figure it out until he is long gone, and contrary to his retirement announcement, he won’t be going anywhere any time soon. His battle with perception is one that only time will clear up. It’s the one battle in which he really hopes his hand will be raised.
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    Article does seem to ignore the main reason that Mayweather is not regarded as one the all-time legends, & that is quality of opposition.

    Mayweather's best opponents are probably Jose Castillo, Diego Corrales, Genaro Hernandez, Zab Judah, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez & Sharmba Mitchell;

    Not a bad array of opponents by any measure, but compared to Ray Leonard or Ray Robinson, the comparison pales.

    A closer look at the opponents make it even less impressive:
    - Corrales was in the middle of self-destructing both professionally & personally at the time of their bout, & was jailed shortly after;
    - Sharmba Mitchell was very much on the downside of his career;
    - Zab Judah had just been beaten by Carlos Baldomir, a solid journeyman;

    & so his best victories would be against Genaro Hernandez (very impressive - no question),
    Jesus Chavez, an impressive TKO victory in a tough bout;
    & Jose Castillo, against whom he won a contraversial decision the first time around, but did take a rematch to beat him in a moderately convincing fashion the second time round.

    Compared to Robinson, Leonard, or other greats, Mayweather comes up short by quite a long stretch.

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      #3
      yeah true but you could say that opponents of that caliber arent around for pbf today

      hatton- ducking him
      mosley-avoiding it

      and then oscar de la hoya who he has chose to fight

      so of the 3 opponents who imo would give pbf the biggest chance of going down as a top 10 atg p4p he is fighting 1 and has tried to secure fights with the other 2

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        #4
        Originally posted by Mr Perfect
        yeah true but you could say that opponents of that caliber arent around for pbf today

        hatton- ducking him
        mosley-avoiding it

        and then oscar de la hoya who he has chose to fight

        so of the 3 opponents who imo would give pbf the biggest chance of going down as a top 10 atg p4p he is fighting 1 and has tried to secure fights with the other 2
        and bingo was his name-o

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          #5
          this article was well thought out and presented fantastically. maybe it's just me, but you get in the sport of boxing to be the best ever. if floyd says that he is better than robinson, then who are we to say he's not or is better? we don't know, it's always speculation and opinion. but, for those who get mad when floyd says this, deal with it. of course, floyd is going to feel this way. he is considered the best fighter in the world of professional boxing today out of any weight class. why not sell yourself in this manner. no direspect to robinson or ali, but floyd has every right to call himself the best ever, because every fighter does. ali called himself the greatest, and he is reveered. tyson said that he feels he could never be beaten, and he was worshipped. floyd is a masterful boxer, astonishing in his craft of pure defensive skills, footwork, hand speed, combinations, power, wit, ring savvyness, reflexes, intelligence on reading his opponents, adjusting to his opponents' style and gameplan, training, i think you guys see my point by now. most, importantly, his confidence mixed with his brilliant performances in the face of adversity makes him that much greater. he has every right to feel that he is the best ever, because his resume backs it up. yes, he never fought as many times as a robinson or ali or foreman or holyfield, but in the bouts that he has fought in, he's shown his brilliant versatility aganist worth opposition, and has shined in big fights. i'm not saying he's the best ever, but whose to say he's not? who's to say he is? many of us didn't live in ray robinson's time period. not to say that all of us didn't, be cause i don't know, but if floyd claims to be the best, then he's really doing his job, and his style is amazing to watch to pure boxing fans. there's nothing wrong with boxing smart just like there's nothing wrong with duking it out in the ring. floyd is smart. the less you get hit, the longer you last in the sport of boxing. he's a defensive fighter with magnificent style of fighting and boxing. he'll posh shoot you indeed. so what? it's boxing last time i checked. he'll counter you and his timing is on key most of the time. the man has every type of attribute it takes to be called the ever, so why not call himself that? i know i would in a heartbeat. he's here to leave a legacy and like the article mentioned, it'll take years for people to really understand it. floyd'll be long gone just like robinson and ali is.

          floyd, keep doing what you're doing. there are people who are with you man. don't change for anyone but yourself.

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          • joeytrimble
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            #6
            yes floyd keep fighting those top notch fighters ..the little floydaholics are with you !!!!

            what was it he said about loses when he fought gatti ? ... "gatti done lost 6 fights no way in hell can he beat me .. "

            well carlos had lost like 9 times?... and this was his toughest challange to date ? this was the fight that was worth snottin and ballin over ? .... beating a man with 9 loses was your goal ? ...

            whats not to like about this hipocritical bastard!

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            • Super_Lightweight
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              #7
              Hatton is not 'ducking' Floyd. Stop with the bull****. Hatton has said often that he wants Floyd, in the future. Hatton is at 140 right now though, and is about to fight Castillo.

              You can't say Hatton is ducking jack **** when he is about to fight one of the most feared fighters in boxing in Castillo.

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                #8
                You must not really like Floyd, lol. All you post is articles putting down Mayweather. Hop off his nuts just for a little while.

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                • joeytrimble
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                  #9
                  i dunno about you guys but when a fighter goes around hollaring about how nobody with such and such losses can beat him then turns and says oh yeah baldi will be a carear defineing fight ... how can you not hate someone like that?

                  when a man goes on a tirade of how hes one of the best ever and can only reply with names like corrales and castillio as the best guys hes ever fought how can you not hate on him? ...

                  when a man goes on saying hes gonna beat this guy that guy and those guys then turns around and crys all over the podium saying hes only gonna have one more fight.... how can you not ****ing hate on that !!!!!!!!

                  you tell me !

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                  • Gio
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by joeytrimble
                    i dunno about you guys but when a fighter goes around hollaring about how nobody with such and such losses can beat him then turns and says oh yeah baldi will be a carear defineing fight ... how can you not hate someone like that?

                    when a man goes on a tirade of how hes one of the best ever and can only reply with names like corrales and castillio as the best guys hes ever fought how can you not hate on him? ...

                    when a man goes on saying hes gonna beat this guy that guy and those guys then turns around and crys all over the podium saying hes only gonna have one more fight.... how can you not ****ing hate on that !!!!!!!!

                    you tell me !
                    So ****ing true.

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