How Much Impact....

[K-DOGG]

I don't think there was any way he was going the distance with Holmes, Holmes was too fast and too young. It was really sad to see that happen to a great fighter. In the Berbick fight, I actually thought he was winning early, but in all honesty Berbick wasn't much to speak of as far as being an athlete. Ali couldn't take the body shots all night, total nightmare once again. Ali was in better shape statistically against Holmes, but that was a product of the medicine and not legitimate fitness. He couldn't even run before the fight.

Supposedly, he was running well about three weeks before the fight, whenever he arrived in Vegas, and was actually looking good in his workouts. It was only afer he started taking the thyroid medicene that his energy left.

[Mr. Ryan]

Supposedly, he was running well about three weeks before the fight, whenever he arrived in Vegas, and was actually looking good in his workouts. It was only afer he started taking the thyroid medicene that his energy left.

I agree definitely, that the medicine was affecting him. But let's look at it in perspective. Here's a 38 year old fighter coming off 2 years layoff, went up to 260, and just split fights with a Leon Spinks who Holmes dusted off in 3. Was it really going to make a difference?

[K-DOGG]

I agree definitely, that the medicine was affecting him. But let's look at it in perspective. Here's a 38 year old fighter coming off 2 years layoff, went up to 260, and just split fights with a Leon Spinks who Holmes dusted off in 3. Was it really going to make a difference?

From what I've read about the effects of that specific medication...yes, it does make a difference. No one had eve knocked Ali out and Holmes wasn't a puncher. If Ali had been as close to 100% as he could have been in 1980, even at age 38, Holmes doesn't stop him...no way. Given the circumstances, the heat, and the effect of the medication, it's a small miracle he didn't have a stroke or worse.

[Mr. Ryan]

From what I've read about the effects of that specific medication...yes, it does make a difference. No one had eve knocked Ali out and Holmes wasn't a puncher. If Ali had been as close to 100% as he could have been in 1980, even at age 38, Holmes doesn't stop him...no way. Given the circumstances, the heat, and the effect of the medication, it's a small miracle he didn't have a stroke or worse.

I agree, Ferdie Pacheco, though no longer in Ali's camp at that time, still said that under the circumstances, Ali was a "time bomb", that any number of medical conditions could've downed him for good. But I did perceive Holmes to be a puncher, atleast when he was in front of stationary targets. I dunno, it's immaterial now at this point, but it was a terrible way for Ali to go out. That fight should have been stopped after the 6th. To see Ali d****d over the ropes like that following the uppercut and kidney shot, that was a crime against the sport itself.

[GEOFFHAYES]

I think Nigel Benn ruined his legacy (to some extent) with the Collins debacles.

[K-DOGG]

I agree, Ferdie Pacheco, though no longer in Ali's camp at that time, still said that under the circumstances, Ali was a "time bomb", that any number of medical conditions could've downed him for good. But I did perceive Holmes to be a puncher, atleast when he was in front of stationary targets. I dunno, it's immaterial now at this point, but it was a terrible way for Ali to go out. That fight should have been stopped after the 6th. To see Ali d****d over the ropes like that following the uppercut and kidney shot, that was a crime against the sport itself.

Couldn't agree more.

I've got it on tape; and every now and then, when I feel the need to put things in perspective, I watch it.....hurts every time, man. Every damn time.

[Mr. Ryan]

Couldn't agree more.

I've got it on tape; and every now and then, when I feel the need to put things in perspective, I watch it.....hurts every time, man. Every damn time.

I haven't seen the fight in it's entirety in about 3 years. I can't bring myself to do it, it bothers me every time. Ali is a hero to me, his way of doing him was very inspirational to me. Him and Naseem Hamed helped shape me the most personality wise when I was younger, go figure LOL

[K-DOGG]

I haven't seen the fight in it's entirety in about 3 years. I can't bring myself to do it, it bothers me every time. Ali is a hero to me, his way of doing him was very inspirational to me. Him and Naseem Hamed helped shape me the most personality wise when I was younger, go figure LOL

As I've stated before, Ali was my hero growing up. I loved him...still do. I can still remember watching him the night he lost to Spinks and asking my Dad, "Why doesn't he just knock him out, Dad?" He was invincible....which is why I watch the Holmes affair every now and then....to remind me that everybody gets it eventually, even the "Invincible Ali".

A dose of truth every now and then is like bad tasting medicene that keeps you healthy, ya know.

[Mr. Ryan]

As I've stated before, Ali was my hero growing up. I loved him...still do. I can still remember watching him the night he lost to Spinks and asking my Dad, "Why doesn't he just knock him out, Dad?" He was invincible....which is why I watch the Holmes affair every now and then....to remind me that everybody gets it eventually, even the "Invincible Ali".

A dose of truth every now and then is like bad tasting medicene that keeps you healthy, ya know.

Yeah, I agree. Yo, you still hasn't addressed my delusions of being a target in the other thread. Tell them, I'm not crazy, people are on my ****.

[K-DOGG]

Yeah, I agree. Yo, you still hasn't addressed my delusions of being a target in the other thread. Tell them, I'm not crazy, people are on my ****.

You don't need me to address it, bro. You know the score....and you're dealing with it.