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  • Ouma > Lacy so how can you praise Calzaghe's performance & discredit Taylor's?

    makes absolutely no sense. Ouma is an accomplished fighter who has actually been around a while and been a pretty respectable champion. He throws more punches than anyone in the fight game and has an iron chin. So how is Taylor winning all but 2 rounds against him any worse than Calzaghe dominating Jeff Lacy, who couldn't box his way out of a paper bag? can't have it both ways. either they were both solid performances or they were both showcases against weak opponents.

  • #2
    Originally posted by DiegoFuego View Post
    makes absolutely no sense. Ouma is an accomplished fighter who has actually been around a while and been a pretty respectable champion. He throws more punches than anyone in the fight game and has an iron chin. So how is Taylor winning all but 2 rounds against him any worse than Calzaghe dominating Jeff Lacy, who couldn't box his way out of a paper bag? can't have it both ways. either they were both solid performances or they were both showcases against weak opponents.
    And you are basing Ouma being better than Lacy on WHAT? their triliogy? being in the same weight class? His Iron Chin? he has been down 5 times.. by smaller men..
    You know what I like about you Diego.. You are passionate and you dont back down..
    Thats also what I dont like about you.. you let your passion cloud your judgement.. Taylor stunk last night.... Can so many people be wrong?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by DiegoFuego View Post
      makes absolutely no sense. Ouma is an accomplished fighter who has actually been around a while and been a pretty respectable champion. He throws more punches than anyone in the fight game and has an iron chin. So how is Taylor winning all but 2 rounds against him any worse than Calzaghe dominating Jeff Lacy, who couldn't box his way out of a paper bag? can't have it both ways. either they were both solid performances or they were both showcases against weak opponents.
      Jeff Lacy was an undefeated wrecking ball who was FAVORED to win the fight by a large share of American boxing fans. He was thoroughly beaten, hurt and humiliated by Joe Calzaghe. Lacy was exposed that night.

      Kassim Ouma had already lost and everyone already knew what they were getting with him. He was a good, tough fighter who throws a lot of punches but is relatively easy to hit. Everyone knows he has trouble with lengthy fighters who can punch...as evidenced by his struggles with KArmazin and Rubio. Hell...Taylor couldn't even floor Ouma like those guys.

      This fight wasn't a pickem...nobody honestly thought Ouma was going to come in and beat Taylor in his own backyard. Completely different circumstances here. Taylor should have waxed Ouma...a tailor made opponent for Jermain. Instead he beat him thoroughly, but failed to impress many who thought he'd blow Ouma off the map (including myself). The holding, the shaky technique, the failure to stop his small opponent from pressing forward all night...it was all just disappointing...despite the lopsided win.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Welter_Skelter View Post
        And you are basing Ouma being better than Lacy on WHAT? their triliogy? being in the same weight class? His Iron Chin? he has been down 5 times.. by smaller men..
        You know what I like about you Diego.. You are passionate and you dont back down..
        Thats also what I dont like about you.. you let your passion cloud your judgement.. Taylor stunk last night.... Can so many people be wrong?
        Hey govner, winning almost every round in most people eyes is not impressive.

        Taylor had a jolly good performance, just hope your boy **** does not break his hands again and we can see these 2 fight in the near future.

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        • #5
          This has nothing to do with Calzaghe's performance against Lacy, Taylor showed he was extremely vulnerable in the ring tonight against a man who could make Welterweight, it's clear that Calzaghe has the style and work rate to frustrate and most likely beat Jermain Taylor.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Welter_Skelter View Post
            And you are basing Ouma being better than Lacy on WHAT? their triliogy? being in the same weight class? His Iron Chin? he has been down 5 times.. by smaller men..
            You know what I like about you Diego.. You are passionate and you dont back down..
            Thats also what I dont like about you.. you let your passion cloud your judgement.. Taylor stunk last night.... Can so many people be wrong?
            Ouma was knockedown but never knockedout.

            As for Rubio he didnt struggle with him he dominated Rubio through all the fight just the first rounds.

            Ouma is better than Lacy because he doesnt have the power to beat but still stand in front of them and keeps punching.

            It enough that the he has the record of most punch in jr Middlewieght for the 1st 2nd and 3rd most punchs punched and Talyor by compbox had hit the most powershot on Ouma in his all fight.

            Ouma chin was a bit underrated. If you seen Kofi fight you will know how good is Ouma chin is.

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            • #7
              i wasnt "impressed" by taylor like i thought i was gonna be.

              He clinched a smaller man, and tired far to early, He missed way to much, and he got hit to much.

              I was EXpECTING a semi-early KO, but i underestimated OUMA's chin at 160 pounds.

              With that said, i thought Taylor did fairly well. He could be in some GREAT fights if he'd stob unneccisarily clinching. Id rather have 2 guys stand across from eachother doing nothing, then clinching...

              BUT, Taylor is extremely talented at what he does. He manages to generate a lot of power going backwards and can fight off the ropes and in the center of the ring.

              I was more impressed with OUMA then UNIMpRESSED with Taylor.

              BUt i do think Taylors style gets dominated by Calzaghe

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              • #8
                "Ouma > Lacy"? No. First of all, in boxing the terms "greater than" or "better than" are extremely ambiguous. Ouma's crafted a style that makes him durable and relentless, a style that has given a lot of fighters hell, but with no risk whatsoever of a KO, I think Ouma's style limits him tremendously, especially now that a couple fighters have blueprinted how to handle it, starting with Karmazin.

                But really, Taylor had no problem with Ouma, other than working hard to maintain distance which caused him to get a little tired at the end. Ouma's only success last night seems to have been making Taylor look sloppy by crowding him, while losing every single round. The object of the fight is to win rounds, or to KO your opponent. Ouma was never close to doing either, not even winning a round.

                I ask you this- if you were Taylor, would you rather face Ouma or Lacy? I'd take Ouma every day of the week and twice on Sunday. There's your answer.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kfootball15 View Post
                  i wasnt "impressed" by taylor like i thought i was gonna be.

                  He clinched a smaller man, and tired far to early, He missed way to much, and he got hit to much.

                  I was EXpECTING a semi-early KO, but i underestimated OUMA's chin at 160 pounds.

                  With that said, i thought Taylor did fairly well. He could be in some GREAT fights if he'd stob unneccisarily clinching. Id rather have 2 guys stand across from eachother doing nothing, then clinching...

                  BUT, Taylor is extremely talented at what he does. He manages to generate a lot of power going backwards and can fight off the ropes and in the center of the ring.

                  I was more impressed with OUMA then UNIMpRESSED with Taylor.

                  BUt i do think Taylors style gets dominated by Calzaghe

                  I agree with most of that apart from Taylor being able to fight on the ropes, I think it's pretty obvious he can't, that's why he'd hold Ouma as soon as he had no more space to walk backwards.. Winky Wright showed signs of hurting Taylor when he backed him onto the ropes and JT didn't fire much back.

                  Basically, ropes = hell/hugging for JT.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by eazy_mas View Post
                    Ouma was knockedown but never knockedout.

                    As for Rubio he didnt struggle with him he dominated Rubio through all the fight just the first rounds.

                    Ouma is better than Lacy because he doesnt have the power to beat but still stand in front of them and keeps punching.

                    It enough that the he has the record of most punch in jr Middlewieght for the 1st 2nd and 3rd most punchs punched and Talyor by compbox had hit the most powershot on Ouma in his all fight.

                    Ouma chin was a bit underrated. If you seen Kofi fight you will know how good is Ouma chin is.

                    Also the fact Rubio is a huge puncher and he came 170 pounds in the ring when he fought Ouma.

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