Lacy, the new Dominic Guinn

**Rudyo** · 12-03-2006, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by PRboxingfan

Lacy looked terrible. He fought a nobody in what was supposed to be a showcase for him. On paper, Lacy should've been able to KO this guy in 3 rounds. Instead, he pulled out a loss on my card 96-95 (I gave one round even, don't remember which). At best, he would've had a draw.

I'm no longer a Lacy fan.

Tyspko isn't a bad fighter, and if after one (i guess two) you decide not to be a fan, then you were never really a fan to begin with and just a bandwagon *****.

**Welter_Skelter** · 12-03-2006, 11:16 AM

You are simply Underating Tyspko.. He is much better than you are giving him credit for.. As for no longer being a lacy fan.. then you never were..

**PRboxingfan** · 12-03-2006, 11:32 AM

I liked Lacy since the first time I saw him fight. He reminded me of Tyson and threw every punch with killer intent. I admire that.

I thought he had more skills than he showed in his last two fights. He looked very sluggish and almost got KO'd by this tomato can in the 8th.

Now, all of a sudden, this guy is a decent fighter? My ass, he's as tomato cans as they come. His shorts might as well have said Heinz on them. He's a typical Euro fighter WHO DOESN'T MOVE HIS HEAD.

Come on, any B- fighter would've taken advantage of an immovable target such as Tsypko's head. Lacy showed he has no technique to getting inside of a fighter except for leading with his head like a bull (while putting his head down leaving himself wide open for upper cuts) and falling off balance right after. Hell, Mayweather can go up to 168 and beat Lacy the way he's looked in his last two fights.

Lacy, get serious or get out of boxing before you get hurt.

**mECHsLAVE** · 12-03-2006, 11:43 AM

I totally disagree. I think Lacy was the same Lacy that we saw before, especially early, just that Tyspko is not Pemberton, Sheika, Reid. He was able to get rocked and recover and put it on Lacy. Lacy was able to get rocked and hang in there, as well, to give himself a chance to win. Tyspko had really sharp, quick punches, and obviously a decent chin. Lacy was lucky to get out of it with a win, but I think Tsypko is simply better than most are giving him credit for. I don't understand what about last night would make you not a fan of Lacy... he was still trying for the KO at the end, he never gave up, he came back from being rocked badly, etc.

The problem with the perception of some fans is that Lacy looks like a mini-Tyson and Tsypko's appearance is that of a fighter who would have been a Euro-bum in the 90s. It's not the 90's, anymore, it's past time some of you guys realize that. You obviously don't have an eye for the sport if you weren't surprised by the sharpness and toughness of Tsypko, leave your pre-conceived notions at the door. If Tsypko would have been a tatted-up guy from the Bronx who put on that kind of showing, then nobody would be singing Lacy's demise and everyone would be all over Tsypko's nuts today. That's the real truth.

**PRboxingfan** · 12-03-2006, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by mECHsLAVE

The problem with the perception of some fans is that Lacy looks like a mini-Tyson and Tsypko's appearance is that of a fighter who would have been a Euro-bum in the 90s. It's not the 90's, anymore, it's past time some of you guys realize that. You obviously don't have an eye for the sport if you weren't surprised by the sharpness and toughness of Tsypko, leave your pre-conceived notions at the door. If Tsypko would have been a tatted-up guy from the Bronx who put on that kind of showing, then nobody would be singing Lacy's demise and everyone would be all over Tsypko's nuts today. That's the real truth.

I know what you're saying. However, it's not a pre-conceived notion of an Euro fighter; it's a cold-hard fact that Tsypko did not have any head movement whatsoever. I know it's not the 90's and that we have good Euro fighters that can move their heads like Hatton, Calzaghe, Piccirillo, Abraham, and Karmazin. I know this. However, this guy did not move his head. He fought like a typical 1980's West Germany fighter (I know he's Ukranian). His style was taylor-made for someone who was supposed to be quick, powerful, and have a left hook that could demolish a building.

The fact of the matter is that Lacy was either not smart enough or not skilled enough to overcome a guy who is, at best, a C-class fighter. Just like Guinn looked good in the heavies, even after demolishing Michael Grant, just to prove that he's an unmotivated fighter who is just fighting to make his father happy. Lacy is in the same boat, or so it appears.

**mECHsLAVE** · 12-03-2006, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by PRboxingfan

I know what you're saying. However, it's not a pre-conceived notion of an Euro fighter; it's a cold-hard fact that Tsypko did not have any head movement whatsoever. I know it's not the 90's and that we have good Euro fighters that can move their heads like Hatton, Calzaghe, Piccirillo, Abraham, and Karmazin. I know this. However, this guy did not move his head. He fought like a typical 1980's West Germany fighter (I know he's Ukranian). His style was taylor-made for someone who was supposed to be quick, powerful, and have a left hook that could demolish a building.

The fact of the matter is that Lacy was either not smart enough or not skilled enough to overcome a guy who is, at best, a C-class fighter. Just like Guinn looked good in the heavies, even after demolishing Michael Grant, just to prove that he's an unmotivated fighter who is just fighting to make his father happy. Lacy is in the same boat, or so it appears.

That's what I mean. We just disagree that Tsypko is a "C-class fighter." He's a little stiff and plodding, yes, but he's got very quick, sharp punches, and a good chin. He was there to be hit, and he GOT hit by Lacy, a lot. I'd credit his toughness and chin, rather than discredit Lacy's power.

Both of those guys were trying to knock each other out for 10 rounds. Both were able to take the other's punches. Tsypko probably won by a round, and Lacy, as expected, got the benefit of the doubt in his hometown. I see both guys coming out of last night's fight still on top and Tsypko's stock rises higher than Lacy's, but Lacy is still going to be a dangerous fight for anyone. And anyone he fights better be tough as nails and be able to take a big punch. Birmingham (overrated trainer) did Lacy no good last night, really, and needs to work with Lacy to get better head movement and keeping his balance when he counters.

I'm still a fan of Lacy and will be excited to watch his next fight. I'm not going to write fighters off after something like last night. Do you want to see fighter's try to comeback against bartenders for a year, get a couple of KO's, and then get back into a big fight? Or would you rather they jump right back in with a world class fighter? The latter for me, so if that's the case, let's not crucify Lacy for doing just that last night, even if he obviously could have performed better. Yes, he could have knocked out some hand-picked journeyman in two rounds, but what good does that REALLY do him, or us the fans?

**PRboxingfan** · 12-03-2006, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by mECHsLAVE

I'm still a fan of Lacy and will be excited to watch his next fight. I'm not going to write fighters off after something like last night. Do you want to see fighter's try to comeback against bartenders for a year, get a couple of KO's, and then get back into a big fight? Or would you rather they jump right back in with a world class fighter? The latter for me, so if that's the case, let's not crucify Lacy for doing just that last night, even if he obviously could have performed better. Yes, he could have knocked out some hand-picked journeyman in two rounds, but what good does that REALLY do him, or us the fans?

That's just it, Tsypko was supposed to be one of these bartenders. He was supposed to be a showcase fight. I'd rather they jump back in with a world-class fighter. However, Tsypko was unranked. He was fighting a nobody, a bartender, as you put it. If he'd looked like this against Kessler, Frock, Mundine, or Allan Green it would've been a different story. But, he looked poor against a guy who wasn't supposed to be any risk at all.

Now, you can see it one of three ways:
1. Lacy ****** against a tomato can
2. Tsypko is much better than he's shown and that all the experts thought he would be, or
3. Both fighters are good and that's why Lacy didn't look as spectacular.

I subscribe to the first one. I don't think Tsypko would last 4 rounds against Green, Mundine, or Kessler. I think Jerson Ravelo would've totally bitched him, too. Any one of these fighters takes Lacy into deep waters and drowns him.

Lacy, the new Dominic Guinn