The Greats & Wladimir Klitschko: Redemption Through Revenge

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  • BIGPOPPAPUMP
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    The Greats & Wladimir Klitschko: Redemption Through Revenge

    Can a fighter only gain redemption through revenge? Obviously not in the opinion of Wladimir Klitschko, who lost three bouts as a professional to three different men and has yet to even try to avenge one of them.

    Now it’s understandable why Klitschko never went after Ross Puritty. At the time of their bout in 1998, Wladimir was just 22-years-old and on the fringes of contention and Puritty was considered a tough journeyman that gave young heavies some good work.

    Throw in the fact that Wladimir lost primarily due to exhaustion and it’s completely understandable why Wlad didn’t go back and avenge that blemish. What about the losses to Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster? Wlad never mentions their names and they hold knock out victories over the Urikranian Olympian. I know that a lot of pundits claim that matches with those two aforementioned fighters would back-track his career, but I completely disagree.

    Even though it’s not a requisite for being great fighter, it’s not a coincidence that a number of the greatest fighters in history avenged losses that took place before or around the time of their physical primes.

    In 1917, Jack Dempsey was stopped in one round by Fireman Jim Flynn and one year later he avenged that knockout with a first round knockout of his own. Ali avenged his losses to Norton and Frazier, and Sugar Ray Robinson avenged his losses to Randy Turpin and Jake LaMotta. And Sugar Ray Leonard avenged his loss to Duran twice. Even the great Joe Louis was disturbed by his loss at the hands of Max Schmeling and stated right after he beat James Braddock for the title in 1937 that he “didn’t feel like a champion until he beat Max.”

    Now those are just a few of the instances in boxing history where great champions felt it was necessary to prove their greatness and redeem themselves by reversing a past loss.

    Those rivalries were between boxers who were thought to have been at the top of their game, but there are numerous other instances when great fighters purposefully avenged prior losses in order to try to erase the stigma of those losses even though the fighters they were facing were no longer in their prime. These fighters avenged those losses because they wanted to redeem themselves by gaining revenge. [details]
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    If Wladimir Klitschko truly wants to be a great fighter and be recognized as the world’s premiere heavyweight then he needs to face his past demons and redeem himself by seeking rematches with his former conquerors.


    So this means Sanders becomes a mandatory and Puritty leaves his wheelchair?



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    • Hitman932
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      there is absolutely no indication from lamon brewster that he will even fight again....

      ross purrity... lol... he was gonna make a comeback but got busted up in sparring and called it off....

      and corrie sanders.... im sure if wlad felt this were an important fight he could squeak corrie sanders into the ring after his next title defense and knock him out too for two wins in one night

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      • jedihillis
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        I really don't agree with the author of this article for the reasons Hitman stated. The guys that beat him are no longer really active fighters. Lamon Bruster would be a good guy to "get revenge on" but we've not heard anything from him since his last fight. I mean we don't even know if the dude is coming back to the ring ever.

        Corrie Sanders?? Common now. The dude's been out of the game for quite a while now. Shoot even the lengendary Evander Holyfield has to have a few tune up fights before he's even considered for a title shot. Where does Corrie get off saying he's ready to take on wlad again? Let him work his way back up and then get KO'd by wlad. There's no way I believe Wlad losses this fight again. Especially with Manny Stewert in his corner.

        As far as Purrity goes he's long gone.

        My point is that he should just forget the past and move on. The author mentioned greats like Ali who fought guys who beat him early on. But at that time there also wasen't a million belts out there to try and unify. Wlad needs and wants to unify the belts. That should be his first goal and that in my opinon will make him up there with the greats.

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        • beez721
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          #5
          Originally posted by jedihillis
          I really don't agree with the author of this article for the reasons Hitman stated. The guys that beat him are no longer really active fighters. Lamon Bruster would be a good guy to "get revenge on" but we've not heard anything from him since his last fight. I mean we don't even know if the dude is coming back to the ring ever.

          Corrie Sanders?? Common now. The dude's been out of the game for quite a while now. Shoot even the lengendary Evander Holyfield has to have a few tune up fights before he's even considered for a title shot. Where does Corrie get off saying he's ready to take on wlad again? Let him work his way back up and then get KO'd by wlad. There's no way I believe Wlad losses this fight again. Especially with Manny Stewert in his corner.

          As far as Purrity goes he's long gone.

          My point is that he should just forget the past and move on. The author mentioned greats like Ali who fought guys who beat him early on. But at that time there also wasen't a million belts out there to try and unify. Wlad needs and wants to unify the belts. That should be his first goal and that in my opinon will make him up there with the greats.

          the writer doesnt realize that wlad did want a rematch with sanders right after the loss. he said such at the post fight interview but sanders faced vitali for the vacant wbc title instead. plus brewster is a king fighter and brewster stated that "wlad didnt deserve a rematch". this author should get his facts straight before he does another article

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            I dont think the Purrity fight is a big deal. But Sanders and Brewster are. Those were really bad loses, anyway you look at it. The Brewster one is not AS bad given the circumstances. And Brewster is still young, Wladimir could've fought him in the spring, he had no idea that his career would be over at 32. But Sanders?? He should've fought hard to get that rematch, considering that he was old and that it was the worse of Wlad's three losses.
            Last edited by Derranged; 11-29-2006, 04:13 PM.

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              Originally posted by BIGPOPPAPUMP
              Can a fighter only gain redemption through revenge? Obviously not in the opinion of Wladimir Klitschko, who lost three bouts as a professional to three different men and has yet to even try to avenge one of them.

              Now it’s understandable why Klitschko never went after Ross Puritty. At the time of their bout in 1998, Wladimir was just 22-years-old and on the fringes of contention and Puritty was considered a tough journeyman that gave young heavies some good work.

              Throw in the fact that Wladimir lost primarily due to exhaustion and it’s completely understandable why Wlad didn’t go back and avenge that blemish. What about the losses to Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster? Wlad never mentions their names and they hold knock out victories over the Urikranian Olympian. I know that a lot of pundits claim that matches with those two aforementioned fighters would back-track his career, but I completely disagree.

              Even though it’s not a requisite for being great fighter, it’s not a coincidence that a number of the greatest fighters in history avenged losses that took place before or around the time of their physical primes.

              In 1917, Jack Dempsey was stopped in one round by Fireman Jim Flynn and one year later he avenged that knockout with a first round knockout of his own. Ali avenged his losses to Norton and Frazier, and Sugar Ray Robinson avenged his losses to Randy Turpin and Jake LaMotta. And Sugar Ray Leonard avenged his loss to Duran twice. Even the great Joe Louis was disturbed by his loss at the hands of Max Schmeling and stated right after he beat James Braddock for the title in 1937 that he “didn’t feel like a champion until he beat Max.”

              Now those are just a few of the instances in boxing history where great champions felt it was necessary to prove their greatness and redeem themselves by reversing a past loss.

              Those rivalries were between boxers who were thought to have been at the top of their game, but there are numerous other instances when great fighters purposefully avenged prior losses in order to try to erase the stigma of those losses even though the fighters they were facing were no longer in their prime. These fighters avenged those losses because they wanted to redeem themselves by gaining revenge. [details]
              He should be able to beat Sanders now, IMO.

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              • deuce_drop
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                if sanders gets a few fights in works on his conditioning and works out the rust, he can beat wlad. it wasn't a fluke that he ko'd him, i think it's a style clash that works against wlad. wlad didn't know how to handle a southpaw who can fight on the inside.

                i hope sanders gets in shape and they fight again, it's only fair to both fighters. plus the heavweights right now need some kind of rivalry or some kind of fued, something to get some kind of attention. with all these mechanical giants fighting now and the fights being boring as ****, something needs to happen to make the heavyweight division watchable again.

                wlad is a different fighter now, but i think the memory of being ko'd and very embarrassing loss will have a major effect on his mental game, effecting wlad negatively. there is a demon in the back of wlads head and i think that he will have a hard time getting over that hill so to speak..........

                if sanders is in shape and ready to roll, even at his age now, he can still be competitive and has a mental advantage over wlad, and i think that it would be a exciting fight to watch to see how both guys handle themselves going into a rematch..........
                everything right now is a big if....................
                i pick sanders to beat wlad again the same way as last time...........ko!

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                  Originally posted by beez721
                  the writer doesnt realize that wlad did want a rematch with sanders right after the loss. he said such at the post fight interview but sanders faced vitali for the vacant wbc title instead. plus brewster is a king fighter and brewster stated that "wlad didnt deserve a rematch". this author should get his facts straight before he does another article

                  ...Yep, and that's a pretty bad case of a lack of research. Still, I would like to see Wlad avenge the Brewster loss and the Sanders loss if at all possible. Not only to answer a few questions for me but also to shut up the anti Klits who always bring that up because they are running out of reasons to **** talk Wlad.

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                  • BrooklynBomber
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                    Wlad also wanted a rematch with Brewster, but brewster declined.
                    I think it was after the meehan fight, not sure though.

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