Pacman vs. Black Superman bet . . . . .

[psychopath]

I share your hope, pal. If he doesn't realize that yet, I hope someone would make him...fast. As far as maturity goes, he's one of the top ten fighters in the world in many lists, so, he should show maturity. It's an important facet of being P4P...

That's right . . .that's right . . .he made it to his present stature as the p4p best featherweight on his first fight in the division . . . maybe our fellow fans doesn't realizes that but that's just an astounding feat . . . did anybody in the sports ever accomplished that? I don't think so as far as I know. He earned that faster than enybody could have ever imagined and if he doesn't mature fast enough to protect what he had now, he might lose that as fast as he earned it.

[chito]

i've never seen this st. clair either but if he proves to be as durable like nedal hussein for example then pacman should just concentrate on just winning and not to go for that sensational knockout win! but hussein can't be compared to st.clair for example because the latter has a knockout punch and his ko percentage is high vs. this st. clair! could be a very good workout for pacquiao though because this st clair will test his ko power and his ring wizardry!

[grayfist]

That's right . . .that's right . . .he made it to his present stature as the p4p best featherweight on his first fight in the division . . . maybe our fellow fans doesn't realizes that but that's just an astounding feat . . . did anybody in the sports ever accomplished that? I don't think so as far as I know. He earned that faster than enybody could have ever imagined and if he doesn't mature fast enough to protect what he had now, he might lose that as fast as he earned it.

I'm not too sure that the Barrera meeting was Pac's first at featherweight. I have always assumed that the first time he stepped into the ring at that weight class was against that central european fighter with an unpronounceable name at an al fresco encounter at the Rizal Park in Manila, where he suffered a flash KD but subsequently KO'd his foe in the very next round. I could be wrong. I'm just basing this assumption on press reports.

Having said that, if the Barrera meeting was his second, it scantly diminishes the accomplishment.

To answer your question, however, there are a number of fighters who went up in weight and quickly got themselves belts of some sort: Roy Jones got one on his first heavyweight try vs. Ruiz as he had done in lower weight categories, Spnks vs. Holmes, SRay Leonard went up to middleweight and took Hagler's belts, albeit controversially.... Even Barrera himself, got a Featherweight belt on only his second featherweight fight. He beat Hamed for the IBO title. Three fights against different opponents previously, he went against Cesar Najera on Dec, 18,'99 and knocked Najera out in the fourth. But the decision was later changed to DQ when it was found out that Najera was Barrera's regular sparring partner.

Four or five other times, Barrera, who was then campaigning at and WBO champ at jr. feather, tipped the scale above the limit of 122 in non-title bouts. He also went 124 lbs in his second meeting with Junior Jones and a few others thereafter. But those were still two notches below featherweight.

[THRILLAinmanila]

I'm not too sure that the Barrera meeting was Pac's first at featherweight. I have always assumed that the first time he stepped into the ring at that weight class was against that central european fighter with an unpronounceable name at an al fresco encounter at the Rizal Park in Manila, where he suffered a flash KD but subsequently KO'd his foe in the very next round. I could be wrong. I'm just basing this assumption on press reports.

Having said that, if the Barrera meeting was his second, it scantly diminishes the accomplishment.

To answer your question, however, there are a number of fighters who went up in weight and quickly got themselves belts of some sort: Roy Jones got one on his first heavyweight try vs. Ruiz as he had done in lower weight categories, Spnks vs. Holmes, SRay Leonard went up to middleweight and took Hagler's belts, albeit controversially.... Even Barrera himself, got a Featherweight belt on only his second featherweight fight. He beat Hamed for the IBO title. Three fights against different opponents previously, he went against Cesar Najera on Dec, 18,'99 and knocked Najera out in the fourth. But the decision was later changed to DQ when it was found out that Najera was Barrera's regular sparring partner.

Four or five other times, Barrera, who was then campaigning at and WBO champ at jr. feather, tipped the scale above the limit of 122 in non-title bouts. He also went 124 lbs in his second meeting with Junior Jones and a few others thereafter. But those were still two notches below featherweight.

You're right, Barrera was Pacman's 2nd bout at featherweight. He scored a 5th round TKO over Serikzhan Yeshmangbetov back in March 15, 2003 at the Philippines' famous Luneta Park (indeed it was an al fresco setting).

[psychopath]

I'm not too sure that the Barrera meeting was Pac's first at featherweight. I have always assumed that the first time he stepped into the ring at that weight class was against that central european fighter with an unpronounceable name at an al fresco encounter at the Rizal Park in Manila, where he suffered a flash KD but subsequently KO'd his foe in the very next round. I could be wrong. I'm just basing this assumption on press reports.

Having said that, if the Barrera meeting was his second, it scantly diminishes the accomplishment.

To answer your question, however, there are a number of fighters who went up in weight and quickly got themselves belts of some sort: Roy Jones got one on his first heavyweight try vs. Ruiz as he had done in lower weight categories, Spnks vs. Holmes, SRay Leonard went up to middleweight and took Hagler's belts, albeit controversially.... Even Barrera himself, got a Featherweight belt on only his second featherweight fight. He beat Hamed for the IBO title. Three fights against different opponents previously, he went against Cesar Najera on Dec, 18,'99 and knocked Najera out in the fourth. But the decision was later changed to DQ when it was found out that Najera was Barrera's regular sparring partner.

Four or five other times, Barrera, who was then campaigning at and WBO champ at jr. feather, tipped the scale above the limit of 122 in non-title bouts. He also went 124 lbs in his second meeting with Junior Jones and a few others thereafter. But those were still two notches below featherweight.

That fight in Luneta is against a ukranian . . . that was his tune-up fight against Lucero. Let me check the finer details . . . but then on fighters going up in weight to capture a belt or a title that's true, there are already a lot who have accomplised that . . . but NOT the no 1 P4P ranking in a division.

[grayfist]

You're right, Barrera was Pacman's 2nd bout at featherweight. He scored a 5th round TKO over Serikzhan Yeshmangbetov back in March 15, 2003 at the Philippines' famous Luneta Park (indeed it was an al fresco setting).

Thanks, pal!

[grayfist]

That fight in Luneta is against a ukranian . . . that was his tune-up fight against Lucero. Let me check the finer details . . . but then on fighters going up in weight to capture a belt or a title that's true, there are already a lot who have accomplised that . . . but NOT the no 1 P4P ranking in a division.

Didn't Sugar Shane only have one Jr. Middle fight (vs. Raul Marquez, which was declared NC3 after Marquez suffered a cut) before meeting Oscar? Most p4p lists had Mosley no.1 jr. middleweight after beating Oscar a second time. Mosley had been dropped from the p4p lists of lots of people, magazines and organizations after having been beaten by Vernon Forrest. He was only reinstated after beating Oscar and was declared by an equal number as the best at that weight.

Prior to their first encounter, Mosley met only Wilfredo River and Willie Wise at welter, before taking the WBC/IBA welter title from Oscar who was until then listed by many as no.1 at that weight. Mosley had been Lightweight king. He went up in weight and beat the no.1 welter at the time. That made him p4p no.1 welter in many lists.

And Ukrane is not east of Russia in Europe. That makes it central europe, doesn't it? I dunno... I still have to check the World Atlas...

[psychopath]

Didn't Sugar Shane only have one Jr. Middle fight (vs. Raul Marquez, which was declared NC3 after Marquez suffered a cut) before meeting Oscar? Most p4p lists had Mosley no.1 jr. middleweight after beating Oscar a second time. Mosley had been dropped from the p4p lists of lots of people, magazines and organizations after having been beaten by Vernon Forrest. He was only reinstated after beating Oscar and was declared by an equal number as the best at that weight.

Prior to their first encounter, Mosley met only Wilfredo River and Willie Wise at welter, before taking the WBC/IBA welter title from Oscar who was until then listed by many as no.1 at that weight. Mosley had been Lightweight king. He went up in weight and beat the no.1 welter at the time. That made him p4p no.1 welter in many lists.

And Ukrane is not east of Russia in Europe. That makes it central europe, doesn't it? I dunno... I still have to check the World Atlas...

Oh okay I got it now . . . the guy's name is Yeshmangbetov and you are right they gought at 126 lbs . . .that was his tune up fight for his superbantam weight clash with Lucero. Anyway although that's just a tune up fight and not official I guess that one will still have to be counted, so Manny's fight with MAB is his second in the division.

Shane Mosley . . . . I missed that one, so that make's two of them . . . still that's rare and quite a feat and surely first for an asian boxer.

[grayfist]

Oh okay I got it now . . . the guy's name is Yeshmangbetov and you are right they gought at 126 lbs . . .that was his tune up fight for his superbantam weight clash with Lucero. Anyway although that's just a tune up fight and not official I guess that one will still have to be counted, so Manny's fight with MAB is his second in the division.

Shane Mosley . . . . I missed that one, so that make's two of them . . . still that's rare and quite a feat and surely first for an asian boxer.

I was not sure of my facts either, pal so I just thought of putting those in there. You know, talking off the top of my head. Thanks for the great welcome at the other site!!! That and the one extended by muay thai (aka, may.pen.rai...) got me feeling at home at once in that site. putiman also did me that favor. Thanx to you fellas!!!

And that guy's name Yeshman... I never could get the hang of it!!!

[THRILLAinmanila]

Thanks, pal!

Anytime .....