Can non-threshold susbtances have threshold type tests

[travestyny]

i explained it all above and in the previous posts too. You just do not want to read it the way it can be read. Just like the other posts but it doesn't matter because you agreed to that!!!.



You are looking at the wrong posts. Go check out my posts where i said that i found the agreement!!!! Lol

once you find that one, that one confirms the agreement between us. but let me know if you are having difficulty with that searching!!!



again, the agreement is made at the start of the thread not after we started. I posted it enough times that you cannot miss where you said that you are fine with that!!!!




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again, did you say this during the debate or not?

1) billeau2 stated right after your posted to avoid each other until we provide our statements again.

2) we posted our statements

3) we discussed our possible disagreements.

4) billeau2 and zaroku understood that after we made our statements that we were at that point in time establishing what was the scope and anything that we are disagreeing with.

5) you asked me questions and told you that what you are discussing was out of scope and i told you the scope that we agreed on.

6) you didn't object and later you said that you were ok and can start the discussion.

answer the question. #tell the truth

[travestyny]

DID YOU SAY THIS??????

We both said stuff BEFORE the initial statement. Was there an agreement at that point? NOT REALLY.

Tell the TRUTH!!!!! STOP LYING. YOU'RE ACTING LIKE A DAMN CHILD. DID YOU TYPE THAT OR NOT???? IS THAT YOUR POST????????


YOU ACCUSED ME OVER AND OVER OF TRYING TO CHANGE THE SCOPE. I'VE SAID THE ENTIRE TIME THAT THE SCOPE WAS THE STATEMENT THAT SAID MUST...WHICH WAS EXACTLY THE SAME AS YOURS. YOU SAID NO. IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE. YOU LOST BASED ON THAT SCOPE. NOW 1.5 YEARS LATER YOU ARE SAYING IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT. YOU CAN'T ARGUE PAGE AFTER PAGE THAT YOU BELIEVE THE SCOPE TO BE ONE THING.....AND NWO SAY, OH....IT WAS ACTUALLY A THIRD THING. STOP IT! YOU'RE BLATANTLY LYING!

#TELL THE TRUTH

WHO IS BEING DISHONEST. THAT'S WHAT THIS COMES DOWN TO. WHO IS LYING? WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH. EVERYTHING I POSTED IS DIRECTLY FROM YOU. SO UNLESS I'M CHANGING YOUR QUOTATIONS, HOW CAN YOU CONTINUE TO ARGUE THAT YOU AREN'T LYING ABOUT THIS???????

[ADP02]

I do not want these DEFLECTIONs!

I will just say this:

We did NOT make any agreement initially to limit anything except that we were not discussing threshold substances!

For starters, you post what you like and omit the posts or part of the posts that does not fit your purpose.



Did you not say that there was never ever any threshold type tests by WADA? So then I would think that should include all WADA related cases, right? WADA came into existence in 1999.
So why are you NOT posting this comment of yours?



You said it there were no thresholds, ratios, scores, and so on.
So why are you NOT posting this comment of yours?



You said it was NOT about the intensity of the bands.
So why are you NOT posting this comment of yours?


You said there were no thresholds for the presumptive nor the confirmation tests.
So why are you NOT posting this comment of yours?

On some of these you doubled down on them until I provided to you proof!!! Then all you did when I provided evidence, is state that it was not applicable even though YOU stated most of those comments before we even started!!!! And so you WERE WRONG and intentionally CONFUSED the judges!!!



After I corrected you each time, did you clear it up for everyone or did you either ignore or continue the confusion???


Kangaroo court!


So now I wanted to clear all of that up now. Before we start.

Dude. You have to stop. We both know that you will fight tooth and nail if you feel something is part of the scope and something isn't. You specifically stated that the BAP was not part of the scope.




That ends this discussion about the BAP. Can you admit that? I mean I didn't force you to say that, and if I did, you would be crying that I'm trying to change the scope. IT'S RIGHT THERE.

And you are still ducking that the court specifically said the WADA standard criteria are not threshold criteria.

That seals the deal that you were the rightful loser, doesn't it? Just pay your debt already and move on with your life.

Finally I've shown definitive proof that you've been lying about what is in scope. You can't go back on that now. It's over.

again, did you say this during the debate or not?

answer the question. #tell the truth

Go read the above post of mine.

DID YOU SAY THIS? Almost all was part of your initial statements and of course, there is more!!!


So what do you have to say for yourself?


DEFLECTOR!!!!


I told you to find the post where I said that I found the AGREEMENT that we made on the SCOPE.

CAN YOU FIND IT? IF NOT, that is your problem!!!!


The AGREEMENT mentions T/E RATIOs. Cannot get more CLEAR than that. I have to say it a "BILLION" times!!!


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Man, still squirming from the CHALLENGE of this thread.


You will not TOUCH IT CHEATER!!!!!


JUST LIKE I TOLD YOU!!!! I WAS RIGHT, SO THAT MAKES YOU WRONG LIAR!!!!




DUCKER

[travestyny]

Go read the above post of mine.

DID YOU SAY THIS? Almost all was part of your initial statements and of course, there is more!!!


So what do you have to say for yourself?


DEFLECTOR!!!!


I told you to find the post where I said that I found the AGREEMENT that we made on the SCOPE.

CAN YOU FIND IT? IF NOT, that is your problem!!!!


The AGREEMENT mentions T/E RATIOs. Cannot get more CLEAR than that. I have to say it a "BILLION" times!!!


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Man, still squirming from the CHALLENGE of this thread.


You will not TOUCH IT CHEATER!!!!!


JUST LIKE I TOLD YOU!!!! I WAS RIGHT, SO THAT MAKES YOU WRONG LIAR!!!!




DUCKER

STOP DEFLECTING. YOU KEEP SAYING THAT THE SCOPE WAS "CAN." WAS THE SCOPE CAN OR NOT. YOU ARE PROJECTING! ME SQUIRMING?


IT'S YOU THAT IS SQUIRMING!


WHO IS LYING ABOUT THE SCOPE, ADP. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. ARE YOU LYING OR NOT?????

Will you answer. ARE THEY YOUR POSTS OR NOT?????

We both said stuff BEFORE the initial statement. Was there an agreement at that point? NOT REALLY.

1) billeau2 stated right after your posted to avoid each other until we provide our statements again.

2) we posted our statements

3) we discussed our possible disagreements.

4) billeau2 and zaroku understood that after we made our statements that we were at that point in time establishing what was the scope and anything that we are disagreeing with.

5) you asked me questions and told you that what you are discussing was out of scope and i told you the scope that we agreed on.

6) you didn't object and later you said that you were ok and can start the discussion.

ARE THEY YOUR POSTS??? TELL THE TRUTH!!!!!!

[travestyny]

ADP02

Will you agree to have a judge hear evidence on whether the scope of our debate was "can...." or not? It's obvious it wasn't, so i don't think you will agree, but if you truly believe what you are saying, then be a man and agree.


Then we will know if what you are trying to say is really relevant to the debate. This makes perfect sense, since you are saying that the scope of the debate is "can....."


all we have to do is let a judge decide if you are right about the scope based on the evidence or not.

I showed tons of evidence that you are blatantly lying about that. You say you aren't. Do you agree to let an unbiased judge settle it. Yes or no?

[ADP02]

DID YOU SAY THIS??????





Tell the TRUTH!!!!! STOP LYING. YOU'RE ACTING LIKE A DAMN CHILD. DID YOU TYPE THAT OR NOT???? IS THAT YOUR POST????????


YOU ACCUSED ME OVER AND OVER OF TRYING TO CHANGE THE SCOPE. I'VE SAID THE ENTIRE TIME THAT THE SCOPE WAS THE STATEMENT THAT SAID MUST...WHICH WAS EXACTLY THE SAME AS YOURS. YOU SAID NO. IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE. YOU LOST BASED ON THAT SCOPE. NOW 1.5 YEARS LATER YOU ARE SAYING IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT. YOU CAN'T ARGUE PAGE AFTER PAGE THAT YOU BELIEVE THE SCOPE TO BE ONE THING.....AND NWO SAY, OH....IT WAS ACTUALLY A THIRD THING. STOP IT! YOU'RE BLATANTLY LYING!

#TELL THE TRUTH

WHO IS BEING DISHONEST. THAT'S WHAT THIS COMES DOWN TO. WHO IS LYING? WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH. EVERYTHING I POSTED IS DIRECTLY FROM YOU. SO UNLESS I'M CHANGING YOUR QUOTATIONS, HOW CAN YOU CONTINUE TO ARGUE THAT YOU AREN'T LYING ABOUT THIS???????

Look bud, you are the only one that is TRULY acting like a child.


1) Nothing can deny that we AGREED to the SCOPE at that point in time.


2) We did NOT agree BEFORE your initial statement. It happened AFTER!


3) I told you that you can go back to that thread and you will find a post of mine stating that I found the statements where we made our AGREEMENT. It was the one that I keep on telling you.


4) Why are you NOT looking for what I said in point 3? I said it but since it doesn't fit your "GAMEs" you will NOT post it.


5) Why are you not admitting all those points that I keep on posting that YOU made that contradicts what you keep saying!!!!


6) Only once you saw that you can lose, you brought up those points NOT before. Well, before, you said the opposite!!!!!


7) You want me to find that post that you are having difficulty with? You cannot pick and chose your posts. They are ALL there. You just do not like some of them so you AVOID them like the PLAGUE!!!


8) No ratios? None of that? WADA has no threshold type test for EPO testing? Really?

You need to be accountable for all of that!!!!

[travestyny]

Look bud, you are the only one that is TRULY acting like a child.


1) Nothing can deny that we AGREED to the SCOPE at that point in time.


2) We did NOT agree BEFORE your initial statement. It happened AFTER!


3) I told you that you can go back to that thread and you will find a post of mine stating that I found the statements where we made our AGREEMENT. It was the one that I keep on telling you.


4) Why are you NOT looking for what I said in point 3? I said it but since it doesn't fit your "GAMEs" you will NOT post it.


5) Why are you not admitting all those points that I keep on posting that YOU made that contradicts what you keep saying!!!!


6) Only once you saw that you can lose, you brought up those points NOT before. Well, before, you said the opposite!!!!!


7) You want me to find that post that you are having difficulty with? You cannot pick and chose your posts. They are ALL there. You just do not like some of them so you AVOID them like the PLAGUE!!!


8) No ratios? None of that? WADA has no threshold type test for EPO testing? Really?

[B]You need to be accountable for all of that!!!!




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YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT ONE THING. WE NEED TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT THE TRUE SCOPE IS.


With that being said, do you want to get a judge to listen to evidence to decide what the true scope was? This will settle this all!


Do you agree? Let's handle this like adults. We present our evidence, leave it to the judges, then proceed from there.


Do you agree?


ONE OF US IS BLATANTLY LYING AND ONE OF US IS TELLING THE TRUTH. LET'S STOP POSTING 80 PAGES ABOUT IT AND JUST GET IT SETTLED. I'M SICK OF THIS. LET'S GET IT SETTLED. WE BOTH AGREE ON THE JUDGE WHO HEARS THE EVIDENCE. 1-3. I DON'T CARE HOW MANY. DO YOU AGREE OR NOT?

[travestyny]

So now I wanted to clear all of that up now. Before we start.

EXACTLY. I WANT TO CLEAR IT ALL UP BEFORE WE START TOO.


So do you agree that we will have judges who decide what was the scope of the debate or not?


The judges already voted and found against you 4-0, so there shouldn't even be a need for this. But you keep crying and crying and saying I cheated. But all of the evidence shows that it's YOU who has been dishonest and YOU who has been trying to change the scope.


So let's get a judge to decide who is telling the truth about the scope and who is lying. Simple way to settle this instead of writing the same thing over and over and over.

You said you want to clear this up. Do you agree?

[travestyny]

ADP02, don't write a damn essay.


Do you agree to have a judge settle this or not. Yes or no. ONE WORD. That is all.

[ADP02]

ADP02, don't write a damn essay.


Do you agree to have a judge settle this or not. Yes or no. ONE WORD. That is all.

1 word?




I have asked you since PAGE #1 to ACCEPT. We have hit the 70 page mark and still waiting for you to ACCEPT DUCKER!!!!






DID YOU ACCEPT?


NO!!!!!






Dude, I mean DUCKER,

You have a CHALLENGE or 2 to ACCEPT!!!!


Be a man, STOP the DUCKING!!!!



So far, you said NO!!!! Just like I expected!!!!

CHECKMATE!!!






This CHALLENGE is relevant to the first debate. So the outcome is important before … doing that one.


You kept on flashing that court case and duped the judges to believe something that was NOT TRUE!!!


Here is you trying that:

Court of Arbitration for Sport: "rEPO is not a threshold substance: as a result, the mere identification of the substance is sufficient to report an adverse analytical finding."

STOP SQUIRMING TO OTHER DEBATEs UNTIL YOU ACCEPT THIS ONE!!!!





1 WORD. DO YOU ACCEPT? YES/NO!




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