Pac/Floyd investigation, documented punches (disputed rounds) blow by blow

[ADP02]

You don't pay attention to the things I've already said.


Both Stivern and junior Dos Santos stated that their Rhabdo stemmed from BEFORE their fight. Stiverne said he didn't feel right in the dressing room. Dos Santos said it was a result of overtraining. That means BEFORE the fight. Dos Santos didn't notice his urine until the next day. I'm sure he drank the rest of the night. Floyd wasn't going to hydrate until after the weighin. He gave his first sample before the weigh in.

If it were even suspected of being Rhabdo, it would make sense to give an IV under supervision. I've already said this.

Note this:



You're asking why they would put vitamins in his IV....??? Because why not? I don't understand the significance of what you are saying. Because...vitamins help...? It was given by a paramedic. Do you think they paid off an IV boutique worker whom they had no time to vet to see if he/she would blow the whistle? Come on, now. You give these people no credit for having a brain.

Yes, Stivern went to the hospital after they fought a full fight. If his hydration was on the level before the fight, they wouldn't have had to go to the hospital. That's the point. Dos Santos DID NOT go to the hospital.

Go look at Dos Santos weight.
Junior Dos Santos vs. Frank Mir: 239
Junior Dos Santos vs. Cain Velasquez in his next fight: 239

In fact, from May 2012 (one fight before the overtraining incident) to April 2016, the highest he has weighed in is 241.

Why didn't Stiverne have to go to the hospital before for Rhabdo or any other time that he was coming in at around the same weight? He was the same weight 8 months earlier vs. Arreloa. It wasn't about his weight. Rhabdo is when muscles break down and leak some shlt into the system.

Again, you say he drank lots of water at the weighin. He wasn't able to properly hydrate until that point, which is why his first sample was extremely dark. Probably already had shlt leaking into his system and was unable to properly flush it until after. Then he has a fight the next day. It makes sense to treat him with an IV at that point. I thought I already said this.

Go look up the treatment for Rhabdo. IV Fluids.




So not sure why you are trying to add more to it.

Again, you are lying about what the expert said. First of all he said he doesn't know the details of what happened. Second, he did NOT say he shouldn't have been given an IV. He gave his opinion that he shouldn't have been fighting if it were very severe. As I've already stated, to avoid a situation like Stiverne, it makes sense to allow the IV to protect the athlete's health. Stiverne shouldn't have been fighting...but he fought. He would have been better off if he had an IV.

Finally, I'm sure USADA would love to help Mayweather but didn't want to help out cancer victim Lance. Makes perfect sense right? lol.


Hopefully I don't have to repeat myself again. Give it up.



And I have no idea what you are talking about being right about? You need to go find it, because you said a lot of dumb things in the past that you were wrong about. Don't ever remember discussing the concentration of urine after a fight with you. I do recall you getting busted saying a lot of **** about EPO that you tried to backtrack and say you didn't say. Because you pull a lot of shlt out of your ass and can't admit when you are wrong.

While irrelevant in respect to Floyd,
Stiverne and Dos Santos did NOT get diagnosed until AFTER a grueling fight. They both lost and so it may or may not be just added excuses, as Wilder believed remember? Remember that Don King/Stiverne wanted a rematch. Or there could have been muscle damage during their HW fights. Very possible.


"In retrospect, he believes he overtrained for the 2012 bout. His brown urine after the fight was a sign of that"

"The morning after the bout, his urine was a very dark brown, the color of Guinness Stout beer.
He wasn’t urinating blood, as some fighters do after a grueling match. Rather, the brown coloration of his urine was due to rhabdomyolysis. His muscle fiber was breaking down and getting into the blood steam."

So you cannot say that it happened before. It is just a "claim" that it may have happened but lets play the game and say that it happened before.



One of the reasons for getting Rhambo is related to some kind of substance abuse. This is often the case (34% of cases). Dos Santos and Stiverne may have used and abused. Creatine? "performance-enhancing dietary supplements, especially those containing creatine, ephedrine, ephedra, or high levels of caffeine"



WEIGHT and Conditioning:
=========================
Remember that with Floyd, you kept on talking about his walking weight must be so high that it drained him to get to 147? Well, you went with that until I provided facts that Floyd himself says he walks around 150lbs and his 30 day weigh-in to the final weigh-in was stable. I doubt that these guys walking weight was their weigh-in weight. As stated, they targeted a weight at the start of their training and tried to achieve it.

There is no way that fat Stiverne goes into his training camp already looking like Floyd Mayweather. As you are well aware, Floyd is already in decent shape even before training camp and has done what he did for every fight. He takes nobody likely. Rhambo often happens to people who are not well conditioned and does not take the required rest during their workouts. Stiverne and Dos Santos admittingly did that. Floyd, as I said, is already in good condition and so can and did take breaks during his training. Plus, Floyd had Alex Ariza monitoring him.

""Dos Santos just wasn't getting enough rest," Dortas said."

In the remaining days before the fight, Floyd said in numerous interviews that he felt great and his plan was to take it easy and relax, watch movies, watch and bet on basketball and some "shakeout" and planning. So Floyd did everything he had to do.



What did Floyd/Ellerbe say after getting his RETRO TUE why he got an IV?
================================================== =======
- "It was JUST dehydration"
- "I mean, I mean, some fighters take Pedialyte,..."
- "Remember he needs to do the drug testing, he is working out, get blood taken, give urine ....."
- "My urine was dark, really dark ... it could be from overworking"


So to say, Stiverne and Dos Santos had Rhambo and claimed that probably had it even before the fight. Floyd did NOT say that he had Rhambo. There were several interviews with Floyd. It was always related to Dehydration!!! In fact, they were so confused and unprepared that they couldn't even come up with a consistent intelligent response. Go back to Floyd/Ellerbe interview. Floyd/Ellerbe had no idea why Floyd got an IV!!! In other words, they were both LYING!!!!



Diagnosis:
==========
Rhambo is not easy to detect.
"Physicians use laboratory tests that detect excess muscle proteins and enzymes in the blood and urine to diagnose rhabdomyolysis."

Then depending on the degree of the illness, further more specific tests are made. They want to be sure that there is no liver damage, no kidney damage and no chance at having a cardiac episode. So the patient needs to go to the hospital to get the correct diagnosis.

"An important part of diagnosing rhabdomyolysis is a comprehensive medical history and physical examination."

Floyd did not go to the hospital to get diagnosed. Instead, Floyd received an interview from FightHype telling us that he is not like other (Stiverne and Dos Santos) who drains their body .... LOL




Treatment:
===========

Once diagnosed with Rhambo, the initial treatment is done at the hospital
"Rhabdomyolysis is a medical emergency. Treatment is always done in the hospital."

You appear to be confused.
If you have Rhambo, you will be given IVs for a period of days. Not like Floyd, 750ml and done. What Floyd said and did is to rehydrate his body.

Rhambo is when muscle tissue is damaged and release harmful toxins into your body. Mainly, the kidneys, liver and heart can be affected.

" which is why Rhabdo can lead to kidney damage or complete kidney failure if left untreated"
"Depending on the extent of toxins released, IV fluids are usually given for 2 to 5 days."


So as you can see, it is not possible that Floyd had Rhambo. You need loads of IVs for a period of time then they reexamine (more lab tests). As Floyd/Ellerbe said, it was just for rehydration!!!



Recovery:
=========
Again, you appear to be confused thinking that you get IV of 750ml and you are "cured". After getting 6 to 12 liters of IV during a period of at least 24 hours but most likely days, the patient will need to not exert any stress on the affected muscles that are damaged. They will be told to not do any activity for weeks if not months.

Floyd fought the next day!!!



Vitamin laced IV coccktail:
==========================
For Rhambo, your electrolytes are out of whack, due to the toxins that are released. So they provide an IV to balance out your electrolytes.



"In the initial stages, electrolyte levels are often abnormal and require correction. High potassium levels can be life-threatening, and respond to increased urine production and renal replacement therapy (see below).[8] Temporary measures include the administration of calcium to protect against cardiac complications, insulin or salbutamol to redistribute potassium into cells, and infusions of bicarbonate solution.[18]"

So from the above, one can see that they are trying to prevent a further acidic situation by treating with the above medication.


I know that at least some vitamins are acidic. Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid) is certainly acidic. While it is certainly helpful in preventing dehydration and even in preventing Rhambo but once you actually have Rhambo then they want to balance out the body with bicarbonate solution (alkaline) NOT vitamin based such as Ascorbic acidic vitamin C.


but lets face it
Vitamin laced IVs are related to IV Boutique clinics. Floyd has more than likely used the same Boutique clinic in the past. Go check out (VEGAS) Boutique clinics. They will have on the menu, vitamin IVs to rehydrate you.


Here is a VEGAS IV Boutique clinic: https://www.myvitamintherapy.com/

- I.V Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid) Packages - $99
- Intravenous Vitamin Therapy: The “Myers’ ****tail” $125.00




WADA, USADA's website and experts all say that dehydration by way of drinking fluids is the way to go. You do not use an IV to recover from a workout! But we both know that Floyd was just relaxing in his final days before the fight. Floyd said so in multiple interviews!!! So even then, it makes no sense!!!


The experts clearly stated that Floyd should NOT have received a RETRO TUE. Only way Floyd should have received the RETRO TUE is if Floyd was in no way or shape to have fought the next day. That is according to the experts. They even wrote to WADA because giving Floyd a RETRO TUE made no sense!!!


USADA was the final word. NOT WADA. If USADA would have investigated, USADA would be investigating USADA/Floyd incident! That is WRONG!!! I said it. Experts said it.

[travestyny]

While irrelevant in respect to Floyd,
Stiverne and Dos Santos did NOT get diagnosed until AFTER a grueling fight. They both lost and so it may or may not be just added excuses, as Wilder believed remember? Remember that Don King/Stiverne wanted a rematch. Or there could have been muscle damage during their HW fights. Very possible.


"In retrospect, he believes he overtrained for the 2012 bout. His brown urine after the fight was a sign of that"

"The morning after the bout, his urine was a very dark brown, the color of Guinness Stout beer.
He wasn’t urinating blood, as some fighters do after a grueling match. Rather, the brown coloration of his urine was due to rhabdomyolysis. His muscle fiber was breaking down and getting into the blood steam."

So you cannot say that it happened before. It is just a "claim" that it may have happened but lets play the game and say that it happened before.



One of the reasons for getting Rhambo is related to some kind of substance abuse. This is often the case (34% of cases). Dos Santos and Stiverne may have used and abused. Creatine? "performance-enhancing dietary supplements, especially those containing creatine, ephedrine, ephedra, or high levels of caffeine"



WEIGHT and Conditioning:
=========================
Remember that with Floyd, you kept on talking about his walking weight must be so high that it drained him to get to 147? Well, you went with that until I provided facts that Floyd himself says he walks around 150lbs and his 30 day weigh-in to the final weigh-in was stable. I doubt that these guys walking weight was their weigh-in weight. As stated, they targeted a weight at the start of their training and tried to achieve it.

There is no way that fat Stiverne goes into his training camp already looking like Floyd Mayweather. As you are well aware, Floyd is already in decent shape even before training camp and has done what he did for every fight. He takes nobody likely. Rhambo often happens to people who are not well conditioned and does not take the required rest during their workouts. Stiverne and Dos Santos admittingly did that. Floyd, as I said, is already in good condition and so can and did take breaks during his training. Plus, Floyd had Alex Ariza monitoring him.

""Dos Santos just wasn't getting enough rest," Dortas said."

In the remaining days before the fight, Floyd said in numerous interviews that he felt great and his plan was to take it easy and relax, watch movies, watch and bet on basketball and some "shakeout" and planning. So Floyd did everything he had to do.



What did Floyd/Ellerbe say after getting his RETRO TUE why he got an IV?
================================================== =======
- "It was JUST dehydration"
- "I mean, I mean, some fighters take Pedialyte,..."
- "Remember he needs to do the drug testing, he is working out, get blood taken, give urine ....."
- "My urine was dark, really dark ... it could be from overworking"


So to say, Stiverne and Dos Santos had Rhambo and claimed that probably had it even before the fight. Floyd did NOT say that he had Rhambo. There were several interviews with Floyd. It was always related to Dehydration!!! In fact, they were so confused and unprepared that they couldn't even come up with a consistent intelligent response. Go back to Floyd/Ellerbe interview. Floyd/Ellerbe had no idea why Floyd got an IV!!! In other words, they were both LYING!!!!



Diagnosis:
==========
Rhambo is not easy to detect.
"Physicians use laboratory tests that detect excess muscle proteins and enzymes in the blood and urine to diagnose rhabdomyolysis."

Then depending on the degree of the illness, further more specific tests are made. They want to be sure that there is no liver damage, no kidney damage and no chance at having a cardiac episode. So the patient needs to go to the hospital to get the correct diagnosis.

"An important part of diagnosing rhabdomyolysis is a comprehensive medical history and physical examination."

Floyd did not go to the hospital to get diagnosed. Instead, Floyd received an interview from FightHype telling us that he is not like other (Stiverne and Dos Santos) who drains their body .... LOL




Treatment:
===========

Once diagnosed with Rhambo, the initial treatment is done at the hospital
"Rhabdomyolysis is a medical emergency. Treatment is always done in the hospital."

You appear to be confused.
If you have Rhambo, you will be given IVs for a period of days. Not like Floyd, 750ml and done. What Floyd said and did is to rehydrate his body.

Rhambo is when muscle tissue is damaged and release harmful toxins into your body. Mainly, the kidneys, liver and heart can be affected.

" which is why Rhabdo can lead to kidney damage or complete kidney failure if left untreated"
"Depending on the extent of toxins released, IV fluids are usually given for 2 to 5 days."


So as you can see, it is not possible that Floyd had Rhambo. You need loads of IVs for a period of time then they reexamine (more lab tests). As Floyd/Ellerbe said, it was just for rehydration!!!



Recovery:
=========
Again, you appear to be confused thinking that you get IV of 750ml and you are "cured". After getting 6 to 12 liters of IV during a period of at least 24 hours but most likely days, the patient will need to not exert any stress on the affected muscles that are damaged. They will be told to not do any activity for weeks if not months.

Floyd fought the next day!!!



Vitamin laced IV coccktail:
==========================
For Rhambo, your electrolytes are out of whack, due to the toxins that are released. So they provide an IV to balance out your electrolytes.



"In the initial stages, electrolyte levels are often abnormal and require correction. High potassium levels can be life-threatening, and respond to increased urine production and renal replacement therapy (see below).[8] Temporary measures include the administration of calcium to protect against cardiac complications, insulin or salbutamol to redistribute potassium into cells, and infusions of bicarbonate solution.[18]"

So from the above, one can see that they are trying to prevent a further acidic situation by treating with the above medication.


I know that at least some vitamins are acidic. Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid) is certainly acidic. While it is certainly helpful in preventing dehydration and even in preventing Rhambo but once you actually have Rhambo then they want to balance out the body with bicarbonate solution (alkaline) NOT vitamin based such as Ascorbic acidic vitamin C.


but lets face it
Vitamin laced IVs are related to IV Boutique clinics. Floyd has more than likely used the same Boutique clinic in the past. Go check out (VEGAS) Boutique clinics. They will have on the menu, vitamin IVs to rehydrate you.


Here is a VEGAS IV Boutique clinic: https://www.myvitamintherapy.com/

- I.V Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid) Packages - $99
- Intravenous Vitamin Therapy: The “Myers’ ****tail” $125.00




WADA, USADA's website and experts all say that dehydration by way of drinking fluids is the way to go. You do not use an IV to recover from a workout! But we both know that Floyd was just relaxing in his final days before the fight. Floyd said so in multiple interviews!!! So even then, it makes no sense!!!


The experts clearly stated that Floyd should NOT have received a RETRO TUE. Only way Floyd should have received the RETRO TUE is if Floyd was in no way or shape to have fought the next day. That is according to the experts. They even wrote to WADA because giving Floyd a RETRO TUE made no sense!!!


USADA was the final word. NOT WADA. If USADA would have investigated, USADA would be investigating USADA/Floyd incident! That is WRONG!!! I said it. Experts said it.

You're helping to make my point. It's quite possible that he could have been suffering from some degree of Rhabdo due to him having the signs of it. Like I said, even if it is SUSPECTED, the thing to do would be to give him an IV. The link that I gave you stated exactly that. If Rhabdo is suspected, the initial step is to immediately give an IV.

For whatever reason, his urine was extremely dark. We know he had injuries to both his shoulders, which fit the Rhabdo diagnosis. Dehydration fits the bill. Decreased urine fits the bill. He's going to have a fight the very next day. It would make sense to give him the IV as a health precaution. USADA's primary focus is protection of the athlete. If they can monitor it to make sure nothing fishy is going on, and make sure that the athlete will be safe instead of going into a situation like Stiverne, that is a win win situation for everyone involved. It's possible that Floyd didn't know what he had. Let's be honest. The dude can't even spell rhabdomyolysis, much less pronounce it. And if he had it and was told that, I doubt he'd be willing to tell anyone he had it. He doesn't speak much on things and doesn't seem to care what anyone thinks.

I personally think that was what caused his condition. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. Could USADA have thought that could be the issue and have been wrong? Absolutely. But it makes sense to treat it the best way possible.

As for what was in the IV, I think they just added in some things that would be beneficial. Why not add in vitamins. As long as it is legal. I simply don't think he could have done anything to fool the WADA Labs at that point. He gave two samples that were mixed. So an extremely dirty (if PEDs were taken) sample and a clean(possibly diluted) sample, mixed together. According to the labs, they have to take an undiluted sample (even when mixed). So if they got a sample that was undiluted, as was their protocol, there would be no issue. I think we both agree the labs are unbiased.

And on top of that, as I've stated a bunch of times, this would be the dumbest way of trying to help someone cheat imaginable. Let's get someone on a whim to administer the IV and keep the secret, let's get 3 TUEC doctors to lie, let's document that we are doing this with a TUE and tell the world......it doesn't make sense when they could just say, "We'll come after you take the IV. We saw nothing." If any of those guys blow the whistle, they would be instant millionaires for the story on top of what they already got. It would be the biggest scandal in US sports history.

It doesn't make sense, man. I know I'm not going to convince you, but think about it this way. PED's is not the reason Pacquiao lost the fight. He lost because he had trouble cutting off the ring, took too many jabs, check hooks, and straight rights. Mostly because of his difficulty cutting off the ring. Ask yourself....did Floyd fight any differently than he always does? Nope. That's why people say Pacquaio fought Mayweather's fight. And it was rather "boring" wasn't it, besides 2 moments when Pac was able to unload and make it his kind of high action fight. It was typical Floyd. Nothing juiced up or super. It was methodical. Paced. Strategic.

The best man won that day. There's no reason to keep going with these conspiracy theories, man. Let it go. Or keep going if you want to. But I have nothing left to say about this.

[The Big Dunn]

Spoon and ADOP2 are still making posts about this in 2021. How sad.

[ADP02]

Spoon and ADOP2 are still making posts about this in 2021. How sad.

You Floyd fans said that USADA would not risk giving a RETRO TUE if there was no merit because WADA could have possibly investigated Floyd's IV scandal and RETRO TUE. Since then, experts have questioned WADA that Floyd should NOT have received a RETRO TUE. They asked WADA, where is the investigation because no way should Floyd have received the RETRO TUE.


WADA

WADA Confirmed that USADA never sent them the RETRO TUE and that USADA would have to be the ones investigating Floyd/USADA!




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[ADP02]

You're helping to make my point. It's quite possible that he could have been suffering from some degree of Rhabdo due to him having the signs of it. Like I said, even if it is SUSPECTED, the thing to do would be to give him an IV. The link that I gave you stated exactly that. If Rhabdo is suspected, the initial step is to immediately give an IV.

For whatever reason, his urine was extremely dark. We know he had injuries to both his shoulders, which fit the Rhabdo diagnosis. Dehydration fits the bill. Decreased urine fits the bill. He's going to have a fight the very next day. It would make sense to give him the IV as a health precaution. USADA's primary focus is protection of the athlete. If they can monitor it to make sure nothing fishy is going on, and make sure that the athlete will be safe instead of going into a situation like Stiverne, that is a win win situation for everyone involved. It's possible that Floyd didn't know what he had. Let's be honest. The dude can't even spell rhabdomyolysis, much less pronounce it. And if he had it and was told that, I doubt he'd be willing to tell anyone he had it. He doesn't speak much on things and doesn't seem to care what anyone thinks.

I personally think that was what caused his condition. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. Could USADA have thought that could be the issue and have been wrong? Absolutely. But it makes sense to treat it the best way possible.

As for what was in the IV, I think they just added in some things that would be beneficial. Why not add in vitamins. As long as it is legal. I simply don't think he could have done anything to fool the WADA Labs at that point. He gave two samples that were mixed. So an extremely dirty (if PEDs were taken) sample and a clean(possibly diluted) sample, mixed together. According to the labs, they have to take an undiluted sample (even when mixed). So if they got a sample that was undiluted, as was their protocol, there would be no issue. I think we both agree the labs are unbiased.

And on top of that, as I've stated a bunch of times, this would be the dumbest way of trying to help someone cheat imaginable. Let's get someone on a whim to administer the IV and keep the secret, let's get 3 TUEC doctors to lie, let's document that we are doing this with a TUE and tell the world......it doesn't make sense when they could just say, "We'll come after you take the IV. We saw nothing." If any of those guys blow the whistle, they would be instant millionaires for the story on top of what they already got. It would be the biggest scandal in US sports history.

It doesn't make sense, man. I know I'm not going to convince you, but think about it this way. PED's is not the reason Pacquiao lost the fight. He lost because he had trouble cutting off the ring, took too many jabs, check hooks, and straight rights. Mostly because of his difficulty cutting off the ring. Ask yourself....did Floyd fight any differently than he always does? Nope. That's why people say Pacquaio fought Mayweather's fight. And it was rather "boring" wasn't it, besides 2 moments when Pac was able to unload and make it his kind of high action fight. It was typical Floyd. Nothing juiced up or super. It was methodical. Paced. Strategic.

The best man won that day. There's no reason to keep going with these conspiracy theories, man. Let it go. Or keep going if you want to. But I have nothing left to say about this.

Did you even read what I wrote?

Summary

- Floyd would have to go to the hospital because he could have died (worst case scenario)
- Proper LAB tests needed to be done. Then redone after AGAIN.
- The IV would have been for dehydration NOT Rhambo. For Rhambo, it would have been an incorrect IV solution to include those vitamins (acidic)
- If Rhambo, Floyd would be given multiple IVs during a period of time.
- IV does NOT "cure" Rhambo
- If Floyd had Rhambo, he would need to rest and not use the damaged muscles for weeks if not months
- There would be no fight It would have been postponed
- Floyd rested and is a well trained athlete.
- Floyd was witnessed drinking lots of fluid so not even dehydrated. Sorry
- Floyd relaxed, took it easy in his final days. There are quotes for the others that they trained hard just days from their fights.

- Floyd/Ellerbe said, it is JUST Dehydration. Everyone has said this is why.


There is NO evidence of what you are claiming, NONE. Not even from Floyd/Ellerbe. and there is enough proof that it was not Rhambo. It was just a lie.

Experts are saying similar to me and other Manny fans.




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[travestyny]

Did you even read what I wrote?

Summary

- Floyd would have to go to the hospital because he could have died (worst case scenario)
- Proper LAB tests needed to be done. Then redone after AGAIN.
- The IV would have been for dehydration NOT Rhambo. For Rhambo, it would have been an incorrect IV solution to include those vitamins (acidic)
- If Rhambo, Floyd would be given multiple IVs during a period of time.
- IV does NOT "cure" Rhambo
- If Floyd had Rhambo, he would need to rest and not use the damaged muscles for weeks if not months
- There would be no fight It would have been postponed
- Floyd rested and is a well trained athlete.
- Floyd was witnessed drinking lots of fluid so not even dehydrated. Sorry
- Floyd relaxed, took it easy in his final days. There are quotes for the others that they trained hard just days from their fights.

- Floyd/Ellerbe said, it is JUST Dehydration. Everyone has said this is why.


There is NO evidence of what you are claiming, NONE. Not even from Floyd/Ellerbe. and there is enough proof that it was not Rhambo. It was just a lie.

Experts are saying similar to me and other Manny fans.




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Do I have to do this again because you can't let it go?

-Dos Santos didn't go to the hospital. That shows you are wrong.
-Lab tests would need to be done for a proper diagnosis, not for suspected Rhabdo.
-No...that is ret@rded. The treatement for Rhabdo is normal saline. Anything added to it won't suddenly make it not hydrate for Rhabdo. lol. That's desperation on your part.
-He was given 2 IV's, and being that you aren't his doctor, you are in no position to say how much he would need.
-Again, go look up how Rhabdo is treated. yes...with an IV.
-Dos Santos and Stiverne fought with it, so that takes care of that one.
-Dos Santos and Stivern fought with it, so that takes care of that one.
-So are Dos Santos and Stivern. And I'm sure they weren't super active right before. So that takes care of that one.
-I'm sure they all drank after the weigh-in. So that takes care of that one. Dos Santos even had it a day after...when he clearly would have drank water after the fight.
-Again, no fighters are in heavy training immediately before the fight, yet Stiverne and Dos Santos had Rhabdo.
-Yes, it was dehydration, which is a symptom of...Rhabdo.
-There doesn't need to be evidence (besides that he was dehydrated, had extremely dark urine, had injuries to his shoulders, had decreased urine output...all symptoms of Rhabdo), it would only need to be suspected to initiate treatment...which would be IMMEDIATELY giving an IV.
-No, experts said they weren't aware of the details of this matter, which you left out completely.


Give up. It's time you let it go.

[travestyny]

- The IV would have been for dehydration NOT Rhambo. For Rhambo, it would have been an incorrect IV solution to include those vitamins (acidic)
.

See what I mean?

Vitamin E (alfa tocopherol), vitamin C (ascorbic acid), lazaroids (21-aminosteroids) and minerals such as zinc, manganese and selenium all have antioxidant activity and may have a role in the treatment of the patient with rhabdomyolysis [139,140].

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1175909/

Time for you to let it go, bruh.

[Spoon23]

Spoon and ADOP2 are still making posts about this in 2021. How sad.

lol What is sad is that you have been ****d in here for the thousandth time and you still end up going back in this thread like a love struck stalker.

You're a very definition of a scorned lady who just loves getting beat up some more.

I guess your love for Floyd being tainted for having a fluke win tears you apart.

[BrometheusBob.]

Spoon and ADOP2 are still making posts about this in 2021. How sad.

I saw the thread title and had to click to see who it was posting. And wasn't surprised by the result. Sad indeed.

One thing that made me laugh though was a pic here I actually made where I put Mayweather's face on a guy attached to an IV. Forgot all about that.

I dunno if I would've gone through with it if I knew how it was gonna be used. I was giving Mayweather fans a hard time cause I was upset about Pac losing but yeesh. I doubt a bag of salt water was the deciding factor in this fight.

Imagine what their reactions would be if Mayweather clearly lost, blamed a tore shoulder, had surgery, and was playing basketball way before the expected recovery time. Would they care about how much saltwater Pacquiao had put into his body beforehand?

[ADP02]

Do I have to do this again because you can't let it go?

-Dos Santos didn't go to the hospital. That shows you are wrong.
-Lab tests would need to be done for a proper diagnosis, not for suspected Rhabdo.
-No...that is ret@rded. The treatement for Rhabdo is normal saline. Anything added to it won't suddenly make it not hydrate for Rhabdo. lol. That's desperation on your part.
-He was given 2 IV's, and being that you aren't his doctor, you are in no position to say how much he would need.
-Again, go look up how Rhabdo is treated. yes...with an IV.
-Dos Santos and Stiverne fought with it, so that takes care of that one.
-Dos Santos and Stivern fought with it, so that takes care of that one.
-So are Dos Santos and Stivern. And I'm sure they weren't super active right before. So that takes care of that one.
-I'm sure they all drank after the weigh-in. So that takes care of that one. Dos Santos even had it a day after...when he clearly would have drank water after the fight.
-Again, no fighters are in heavy training immediately before the fight, yet Stiverne and Dos Santos had Rhabdo.
-Yes, it was dehydration, which is a symptom of...Rhabdo.
-There doesn't need to be evidence (besides that he was dehydrated, had extremely dark urine, had injuries to his shoulders, had decreased urine output...all symptoms of Rhabdo), it would only need to be suspected to initiate treatment...which would be IMMEDIATELY giving an IV.
-No, experts said they weren't aware of the details of this matter, which you left out completely.


Give up. It's time you let it go.

So what you are saying is that Floyd and his doctor came up with the wrong diagnosis and USADA bought that lie?

WADA
"Under the overarching principle of strict liability in effect under anti-doping regulations, as an athlete, you are ultimately responsible for everything that goes into your body, whether it was recommended, prescribed, or even provided by someone else."


If you come up with Rhambo as diagnosis out of thin air, Dr Travestyny, then the next step is to at least pretend that it is truly Rhambo and have your patient rushed to the hospital to make sure that your guess was right because if it really was Rhambo there is the potential that the patient has damaged their liver or kidney or may get a cardiac episode!!!

BUT
if Floyd doesn't go to the hospital and get tested properly then the diagnosis was BS LIE and consequently USADA should NOT have given Floyd that RETRO TUE!!!


It doesn't work the way you think it. Go back to the quote that I provided to you from the Head of the WADA TUE and physician. FLoyd would have to go to the hospital, tested positive for Rhambo and do the proper treatment then rest those muscles for a few weeks to months. That is if it was done properly and it was NOT a LIE ... EXPERT said, there would be various medical reports to prove that the athlete had surgery, anesthesia, IV and so on, as an example. That is, all well documented by the proper people. NO GUESS WORK!!! You cannot just say, we thought it was RHAMBO.



EXPERTS:
What the experts CLEARLY stated is that the ONLY way that Floyd could have gotten a RETRO TUE is if at the end of it all, Floyd was in no shape to fight Manny the next day.

"They gave Floyd a RETRO TUE and only came to light 21 days after the fight. Wow, USADA is doing that because they are getting paid. USADA is supposed to be a body that is supposed to be completely independent. Wow, its a murky world. Yes it is murky and quite frankly sensed disappointment."

"When it comes to RETRO TUEs". Made only when you do not have enough time to apply. Lets say someone gets injured on the field and goes to surgery that night .... and post-op they give him drugs. Its totally acceptable. You get the anesthetists report, the surgeons report then you put all that on the TUE form. Perfectly acceptable. That is what a RETRO TUE is all about. An URGENT .... Someone has an anaphylactic allergic reaction and needs the drugs (URGENTLY). Right, that is not someone who is going to play at tennis open final or race at the Tour de France. No (its not for that). That is when I challenge the system. Its a red flag."

"I TOTALLY AGREE. It doesn't smell right to me. To enable you to compete, you get a RETRO TUE to get an IV? What were they giving him and why couldn't they rehydrate him orally, clinically, that is what we do. You do not need an IV unless you are vomiting and have diarrheas and cannot drink orally and if that all happens then you will not be entering the ring against Manny Pacquiao.



Can you see and read the above? Clear enough for you?


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