Heavyweight Division.

[titanium]

Hide isn't a HOFer, but he was a very good win for Vitali at the time. Herbie
survived 6 rounds with Rid**** Bowe, but couldn't make it through the second round against Vitali.

They fought on different nights, those comparisons don't work. Haye stopped Chisora quicker than Vitali, doesn't necessarily mean Haye is better or could beat Vitali.

[LacedUp]

On the Hide-Klitschko video, the British commentators say the betting oddsmakers were favoring Hide to beat Vitali.

Hide isn't a HOFer, but he was a very good win for Vitali at the time. Herbie
survived 6 rounds with Rid**** Bowe, but couldn't make it through the second round against Vitali.

Only because Vitali was an unknown quantity mainly fighting in Germany at the time. But he had a certain reputation.

Add to that, the British bookmakers are always too dumb to view it rationally.

And it would be an understatement to say he's not a HOFamer. He's nowhere near being even close to being mentioned as a potential HOFamer.

[Welsh Jon]

I can't believe people are even debating this. Herbie Hyde's mobility made him stand out above the average 1990's heavyweight, but when he stepped up and fought world class opposition he was out of his depth. He only fought 3 ranked heavyweights in his career, and 2 of those annihilated him. Beating Herbe Hyde is not an impressive feat for a heavyweight world champion.

[LacedUp]

I can't believe people are even debating this. Herbie Hyde's mobility made him stand out above the average 1990's heavyweight, but when he stepped up and fought world class opposition he was out of his depth. He only fought 3 ranked heavyweights in his career, and 2 of those annihilated him. Beating Herbe Hyde is not an impressive feat for a heavyweight world champion.

He was clearly not good enough for that level.

I don't even recall him ever being ranked in the top 10, do you?

[Welsh Jon]

There really not much difference between Herbie Hide and David Haye.

Haye is overrated as a win for Wladimir. But that somewhat balances things out, because Chagaev, Ibragimov, Povetkin and several others are underrated wins on Wlad's resume.

Haye is better than Hyde.

And Wlad's resume is so much better than Vitali's. Not even close.

[LacedUp]

I agree Wlad's resume is much better than Vitali's.

But his win over Haye is overrated, Haye is no better than Hide.

Haye is clearly better than Hide.

[M Bison]

I am glad to see that finally there will be a new heavyweight champion and he will not be of Russian decent. It was about time that one of the brothers moved the hell out the way. I am not hating on the brothers they took over as heavyweight champions in an era never seen before, that is a lack of American heavyweights so you can not really blame them for their lack of competition. I hope that very soon we will have an American heavyweight champion again.

Kevin Johnson is a very good American HW made to look average by Wladimir Klitschko, truth be told people don't credit the division enough just because an American can't overturn the Klitschko's reign...
Neither brother have been outpointed and lost a decision its either been injury or in Wlads case KO.

[M Bison]

I agree Wlad's resume is much better than Vitali's.

But his win over Haye is overrated, Haye is no better than Hide.

In all honesty beating Samuel Peters was a bigger achievement than beating David Haye, we all knew Haye would bottle it.

[Weltschmerz]

Haye is clearly better than Hide.

He's clearly not.

[LacedUp]

He's clearly not.

You barely know who Hide is.