Vitali is one of the best HW of all time

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

Not only are the Bros. ordinary their fans are like talking to a wall! They only know how to look at a record, know nothing about tchniques and wouldn't know a thing about inside fighting or tieing up and walking off an opponent!!
Its all been said before but when you have ordinary skills with beginner fans and success along for the ride because the division was dying before they got there this is what you get!! Uninformed, uneducated fans who think a successfull record against nobodies gifts the right to be considered ATG's!
These people don't know a damn thing about boxing skills, watch a fellow like Rigo then compare techniques to the Bros.....................not much there, right! Ray

Ok then, I am just a casual ignorant Klitschko fan. Please argue, tell me why considering a V.K as an elite fighter is a crime?

[LacedUp]

If Adamek lost against Vk because he was too big then how would Joe Frazier look like?

Dude are you ***ing trolling or what are you doing?

Firstly, the greatness of a fighter is not based on who can beat who from each era. It is based on a fighters achievements and the level of opposition he fought in his career.

Secondly, fu ck this man, I'm not even going to start. You are talking about H2H and you must be a novice boxing fan if you think VK is in the top 3 greatest hws of all times on the back of a decade of Sosnowskis, Charrs, Briggs, Johnson's, Chisoras, Solis etc.

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

Dude are you ***ing trolling or what are you doing?

Firstly, the greatness of a fighter is not based on who can beat who from each era. It is based on a fighters achievements and the level of opposition he fought in his career.

Secondly, fu ck this man, I'm not even going to start. You are talking about H2H and you must be a novice boxing fan if you think VK is in the top 3 greatest hws of all times on the back of a decade of Sosnowskis, Charrs, Briggs, Johnson's, Chisoras, Solis etc.

I repeat it, Vitali Klitschko would have played with Joe Frazier...accept it or not.

[LacedUp]

I agree with that, but you've said earlier that Vit didn't look impressive against Adamek. In my opinion he looked great, and yes, he could've finished him even in round 2 after the big right hand. But he has the deal with RTL so he probably carried Adamek for 10 rounds because of commercials.Is it right? That's debateble. But Klitschko looked damn impressive in that fight.

That's what I mean though. That's what I don't find impressive. You didn't want Mike Tyson to carry Spinks for ten rounds did you? No, you wanted him to smash him up in one and that's what he did. It's a big problem for me that he's looking for his commercial interests rather than giving me, the viewer, what I crave. A KO. Instead I have to sit through 10 rounds of cat and mouse because big Vitali doesn't want to hurt the damn RTL. That's not impressive to me.

He was sharp though and at no stage did he look like he was losing. Just want to clear that up.

[LacedUp]

I repeat it, Vitali Klitschko would have played with Joe Frazier...accept it or not.

And that makes him great why? 'Would have' is not included in boxing. That's boxing 101 ffs.

[Szef]

Not only are the Bros. ordinary their fans are like talking to a wall! They only know how to look at a record, know nothing about tchniques and wouldn't know a thing about inside fighting or tieing up and walking off an opponent!!
Its all been said before but when you have ordinary skills with beginner fans and success along for the ride because the division was dying before they got there this is what you get!! Uninformed, uneducated fans who think a successfull record against nobodies gifts the right to be considered ATG's!
These people don't know a damn thing about boxing skills, watch a fellow like Rigo then compare techniques to the Bros.....................not much there, right! Ray

Rigondeaux is the best and most gifted fighter of last 20 years. Yes, I said it.
So comparing him to Klitschkos is just silly.

And look who's talking? Certified Klitschko hater who thinks that cruiserweight Joe "bum of the month" Louis could beat the much bigger, stronger Klitschko. Go to bed Ray

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

Dude is crazy, but he is totally right when he says that V.K belongs to the elite Heavyweights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS7jALlgf_w

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

And that makes him great why? 'Would have' is not included in boxing. That's boxing 101 ffs.

Ok so it's just pure hazard that Vitali Klitschko became WBC champion, that he was never knocked down and that he was dominant in every single fight?

Vitali is currently 42 years old and he is the WBC champion. He suffered 3 harsh injuries and is still in amazing shape. He is mentally tough, very skilled and as intelligent ( if not more) than his brother in the ring. Vitali Klitschko is a tactician not a silly bully.

[bklynboy]

I would LOVE to see a 42 years old Vitali Klitschko take on a David Haye just to see your reactions!!

Dwyer may be crazy, but he is totally right when he says that V.K is an all-time great.

Honestly, I dont really care if you think I am trolling, that is my opinion. And evaluating boxing is nothing else but a question of opinion. I truly believe , Vitali Klitschko would give a harsh test to every boxer in history.

I know it's hard for you guys to admit it just because he is not American or British.

I like the Klitschkos. I have nothing against them. I would have loved to see a second VK fight with Lennox Lewis. I had VK winning that fight without the cut.

You get better by competing against people who push you to the limit, not against people where you win almost every round. VK could have been an ATG if he wasn't getting hurt AND if he was able to find good opposition as well as TOP fighters. By good I mean the Jerry Quarrys, Tim Weatherspoons, David Tuas of the world and by TOP fighters I mean Nortons, Holyfields.

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

I like the Klitschkos. I have nothing against them. I would have loved to see a second VK fight with Lennox Lewis. I had VK winning that fight without the cut.

You get better by competing against people who push you to the limit, not against people where you win almost every round. VK could have been an ATG if he wasn't getting hurt AND if he was able to find good opposition as well as TOP fighters. By good I mean the Jerry Quarrys, Tim Weatherspoons, David Tuas of the world and by TOP fighters I mean Nortons, Holyfields.

I fully respect your opinion. What you say here is true. I consider V.K as being an ATG because of his universal style that can adapt to any style. That is why I think that V.K is extremely hard to beat.