Is Pacman the greatest Asian Champ of all time?

[Cali_Rob]

Do you think Pacman is the greatest Asian champ of all time, there are a few great ones in history. Like a guy by the name of Flash Elorde who is also Fillipino that I read about. Do you know of any other devestating Asian fighters who is also great like Pacman?

I dont know if anyone already noted this but Pac is Pacific Islander so he cant be the best asian fighter ever.

[JaNnO]

I dont know if anyone already noted this but Pac is Pacific Islander so he cant be the best asian fighter ever.

lol, philippines may not be part of mainland asia but its an asian nation, southeast asia to be specific.

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Khaosai Galaxy
"Galaxy successfully defended the title 19 times, 16 by knockout, over the next seven years. Both are division records."
"Thailand's greatest boxer left the ring with a 49-1 (43) record and was acknowledged by many as the best, and most significant 115-pounder in history, as well as one of the greatest fighters from Asia."

All but five of Galaxy's fights were in Thailand. The five were in Japan, Indonesia, The Netherlands Antilles and in South Korean.

At first glance that might cast su****ion on his record. But when one notices his KO rate and the fact that of his 19 defenses--all but three, in Thailand-- he disposed of his opponent before the final bell, except two, then he gets a very high billing for being among the greatest fighters Asia has ever produced, arguably the greatest.

The ones who went the distance in a title fight with Galaxy were:

Kenji Matsumura, twice, both fights held in Japan--one in Kobe, the other in Yokohama.

Armando Castro- in Thailand. It was Galaxy's last fight.

He lost only once and never in a title fight. His only loss was on his 7th outing, on points.

He didn't pad his record while holding the title. He faced fighters who were undefeated before they faced him. One of them, Israel Contreras, had racked up 24 consecutive wins, without a loss and a solitary draw.

He faced Filipino contender Fel Aporto who was 8-13, and KOd him in two, but that was just to keep in shape. Aporto and another Filipino, Val de Vera (3-6-0), were the only "bums" on Galaxy's list of victims. de Vera he faced early in his career.

The only problem anyone may have in naming Galaxy as the greatest Asian ever is that none of his adversaries are in the Hall of Fame.

Galaxy met a fellow champ, IBF's Elias Pical, and TKOd his opponent but Pical isn't miles of Canastota. On the other hand, the likes of Elorde had Sandy Saddler to whom he lost one after winning one in a two-fight series. The stoppage, resulting from a slight cut on Elorde's eyebrow in the second fight in San Francisco, was soundly booed (trash thrown into the ring as well). Elorde was leading on the cards and was obviously winning the fight. Elorde also had the likes of Ismael Laguna (who became Lightweight champ after losing to Elorde), Rene Barrientos (who became Jr. Light champ after Elorde)...

Elorde even had Victor Leon who administered a whipping on the great Willie Pep, knocking Pep down once in the 3rd, the 6th and the 8th before winning by UD, thus setting up the Elorde date. Of course Pep was to have only ten fights remaining in his ageing frame when he met Leon.

The Venezuelan, Leon, went the distance with Da Flash and only lost by UD. He didn't manage to win any belt, not even the Venezuelan national belt. But he faced and lost close ones to the likes of Jorgensen (also had a draw with Jorgensen in another fight)and Sugar Ramos.

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I dont know if anyone already noted this but Pac is Pacific Islander so he cant be the best asian fighter ever.

The Philippines is in SOUTHEAST ASIA. It's in the Asian rim of the Pacific Ocean. It's an archipelago of over seven thousand two hundred islands: the exact figure varies with the tide as there are uninhabited islands that are submerged by high tide. It is a founding member of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations or ASEAN, along with Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand. It also shares a basin of water with such Asian countries as China and Vietnam called The China Sea.

[JOM'S]

The way pac dismantled erik last week, he has just made a giant leap towards getting the "Greatest Asian Fighter" title. beating the two great mexicans was a big feat for any ordinary fighter and manny did the job in a manner many thought was nearly impossible. his ring exploits and boxing record are also excellent which could well argue that he belongs to the elite especially of his generation.

However to wrestle that distinction from the Gabriel “Flash” Elorde who is considered by many to have that distinction, Pacquiao needs to stay on top of his game for a longer period of time. Elorde was an excellent boxer and slugger and he was both WBC and WBA Super Featherweight champion at the same time for 7 years. There is no question that Pacquiao has fought the best fighters on his way has beaten most of them. Manny has also shown all the qualities of a boxer worthy to be enshrined to the Boxing Hall of Fame.

I agree with you bro PAC is on the right track and he is fast catching up, I still consider "The Flash" as the greatest fighter from the Philippines and arguably the BEST ASIAN Fighter as acknowledge by IBHOF as 1 of the first 2 Asian Boxers to be enshrined in the Hall of Fame...

[Chups]

Naseem Hamed......Nyahahahahahaha!!

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Chups, was that just a random thing said or was it a answer to a question lol!

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I agree with you bro PAC is on the right track and he is fast catching up, I still consider "The Flash" as the greatest fighter from the Philippines and arguably the BEST ASIAN Fighter as acknowledge by IBHOF as 1 of the first 2 Asian Boxers to be enshrined in the Hall of Fame...

Gaining fast on Flash is a view I share, buddy. Pac even has an edge in some respects, one of them is that officially he has two division championships (conceding not to count Featherweight as no alphabet title was at stake in his fight with Barrera), while Flash, inspite of winning twice over Sandy Saddler in the eyes of everyone, didn't wrest the World Featherweight title (their second meeting was a title fight in San Francisco, while the first was a non-title tiff in Quezon City). Elorde who had a seven-year reign at Jr. Lightweight also failed in another bid for a second world title when he was taken out twice by Puerto Rican great, Carlos Ortiz.

Another point that should be considered in favor of Pac is that when both Erik and MAB ascend to immortality at Canastota, Pacquiao shall be able to stake claim on having resounding victories over two Hall of Famers, shoo-ins at that. And when one considers that the two are considered among the best five or ten Mexican fighters to ever put on boxing gloves, that says a lot.

But Pac never stayed long enough in any division for anyone to proclaim without fear of contradiction that he dominated a given weight (though, he could arguably have had, had he decided to stay a while at Jr. Feather or Feather). That, plus the fact that Pac has not (as yet) unified a weight division may be pointed to as a factor favoring Elorde.

To erase all doubts, Pac should beat MAB for the latter's two Jr. Lightweight belts (and that can only happen if MAB defends those against Pac) and then defeat Vicente Mosquera for the WBA belt and Barrios for the WBO version (or, whoever may be holding those two belts at the time). That should unify the division that Elorde himself was king of for so long and make Pac a three-division champion (four, counting the Featherweight "People's Championship"). If JMM gets tired of picking up 30 to 50 thousand dollar purses, Pac can defend the Jr. Light unified title against him and put to rest speculations. If Pac can fight at Jr. Light, JMM's physical attributes which are similar to Pac's shall enable him to go up in weight too.

To further solidify his bid for the "Best Asian Fighter in Western-style Boxing in History", he can go down in weight class and win a Featherweight alphabet title (vs. JMM?)That would mae him, officially, a four-division champ. And, then, he can go up to win a Lightweight title (again, vs. MAB?) to become a five-division champ.

If he manages to do all that, even future hopefuls for "Asia's Best Ever" shall think hundreds of times before trying to beat the record. And, worldwide, he'll be in a vast majority of the "Best P4P, Ever" short-list.