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    Manny Pacquiao is face to face with the most important opponent of his boxing career, and it's not Floyd Mayweather. The opponent is himself. At stake? Nothing much. Only his place in the boxing pantheon. Only his legacy.

    This is his Mark McGwire Moment, and Pacquiao must attack it forcefully and bluntly. So far, he has bobbed and weaved. He has slipped the issue. He has refused Mayweather's insistence on Olympic-style drug testing before their 147-pound mega-fight, which was set for March 13 but now appears to be off because Pacquiao won't submit the necessary blood. He says he's superstitious. He says giving blood so close to the fight would weaken him. He says a bunch of gibberish, none of which makes sense, all of which makes him look as guilty as McGwire looked when he hit Capitol Hill and refused to discuss steroids.


    Manny Pacquiao has to step up and clear the air ... now. (Getty Images)
    "I'm not here to discuss the past," McGwire said in March 2005, and cemented his future. Almost five years have passed, and McGwire is still viewed as a steroid cheat. Three times his name has appeared on the Hall of Fame ballot, and three times he has failed to come close to induction despite having career numbers certainly worthy of Cooperstown, assuming he amassed those numbers legally. Most voters think he did not. Most voters are probably right, given his cartoonishly muscled body, his historical power and his evasion on Capitol Hill on March 17, 2005.

    Now it is Manny Pacquiao's turn. He has come to his own version of Capitol Hill, and he has chosen to walk the path of Mark McGwire and avoid the issue entirely. He's not here to talk about the past, or about blood testing -- and like McGwire, Manny Pacquiao thinks that should be good enough.

    It's not. It's not close to good enough. Fair or not, illegal performance enhancement is the new witch hunt, the new red scare. In the 17th century, if you were accused of being a witch, you were a witch unless you could prove otherwise. How could you prove otherwise? Well, you could be thrown off a cliff or burned at the stake. If you survived, then obviously you were a witch. And if you died? Well ... oops. But on the bright side, the fatal fall or fire cleansed your reputation.

    In the 1950s, when this country's fear of communism was stoked by a madman named Joseph McCarthy, the accusation of being a communist was the same thing as being a communist. If you were accused of it, you were it, until you proved otherwise. How could you prove otherwise? Well, you couldn't. Many victims of McCarthyism went to prison. At least one committed suicide. After a few years of nonsense, the hysteria died down, and McCarthy's influence subsided. And then, mercifully, he died at age 48 in 1957.

    Now the onus is on Pacquiao. Like so many who came before him -- McGwire, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, cyclists and sprinters and body builders -- he is guilty until proven innocent. But this is different from the Salem witch trials or the McCarthy's reign of terror, because the solution is simple:

    Do the blood test.

    Pacquiao's supporters say he will do the blood test, but they are right only up to a point. They refuse to see beyond that point, because that's what supporters do: They see what they want to see. And Pacquiao fans see this: They see Pacquiao as being accommodating -- willing to submit to a urine test whenever it is asked, and even willing to submit to a blood test months before the fight, or shortly after the fight.

    Pacquiao fans ignore this glaring truth, that their hero is not willing to give blood in the weeks leading up to the fight.

    When the HGH would still be in his system.

    That's what I see. I see Pacquiao avoiding the blood test. He says giving blood so soon before a fight would weaken him, but that's nonsense. He wouldn't be donating blood, for God's sake. He'd be giving a sample. A smidgen. A negligible amount.

    And let's be honest about this: There is reason to believe Pacquiao could be -- not is, but could be -- aided by HGH. He is fighting at 40 pounds above his debut weight, and he is better than ever. That goes against a century of boxing history, which has shown that fighters tend to get less effective as they rise in weight for two reasons: They lose power as they stray from their original weight class, and the accumulation of boxing's abuse begins to erode their skills.

    Not Pacquiao. The bigger he gets, the older he gets (he's 31), the better he gets. He was 39-3-2 with 30 knockouts in 44 fights at weights ranging from 106 to 129½ pounds. In his past 11 fights, most of them over 130 pounds and some of them into the 140s, he is 11-0 with eight knockouts, and he has done that against some of the world's best fighters in those classes. It makes no sense, and when it comes to the search for performance-enhancing cheats, that is the biggest red flag of all:

    It makes no sense.

    Until now, Pacquiao has somehow gotten bigger and better and yet he has avoided being linked to drugs. Why? Because boxing isn't a major media sport, and I say that as an amateur boxer myself. I love the sport, but it doesn't get the scrutiny of baseball or even of track or cycling, and so Pacquiao's unusual rise in size and performance has passed under the radar -- until now. Mayweather wants Pacquiao to prove his cleanliness by submitting a small amount of blood before their fight, and it is not an unreasonable request. Olympic fighters do it. But not Manny Pacquiao?

    Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum, says Pacquiao will fight someone else in March. Pacquiao says he will sue Mayweather, and others, for slander. They think life will go on, and I am here to tell them, it will not.

    Pacquiao is now linked to performance-enhancing drugs. Right or wrong, there it is -- and it won't go away. He can make like Mark McGwire and avoid the issue, and while his biggest fans will continue to believe in him, the rest of us will not forget.

    And when the time comes to assess his legacy, we will burn him at the stake.


    I completely agree with this article. Pac may as well tattoo the word CHEATER to his forehead if he refuses the test. It's just a shame that so many quality, honest fighters had to have their records tarnished by this juiced up Pinoy

  • #2
    Research shows that those who believe in baseless accusations have low IQs. I'm so sorry for you bud.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SonnyG8R View Post
      Manny Pacquiao is face to face with the most important opponent of his boxing career, and it's not Floyd Mayweather. The opponent is himself. At stake? Nothing much. Only his place in the boxing pantheon. Only his legacy.

      This is his Mark McGwire Moment, and Pacquiao must attack it forcefully and bluntly. So far, he has bobbed and weaved. He has slipped the issue. He has refused Mayweather's insistence on Olympic-style drug testing before their 147-pound mega-fight, which was set for March 13 but now appears to be off because Pacquiao won't submit the necessary blood. He says he's superstitious. He says giving blood so close to the fight would weaken him. He says a bunch of gibberish, none of which makes sense, all of which makes him look as guilty as McGwire looked when he hit Capitol Hill and refused to discuss steroids.


      Manny Pacquiao has to step up and clear the air ... now. (Getty Images)
      "I'm not here to discuss the past," McGwire said in March 2005, and cemented his future. Almost five years have passed, and McGwire is still viewed as a steroid cheat. Three times his name has appeared on the Hall of Fame ballot, and three times he has failed to come close to induction despite having career numbers certainly worthy of Cooperstown, assuming he amassed those numbers legally. Most voters think he did not. Most voters are probably right, given his cartoonishly muscled body, his historical power and his evasion on Capitol Hill on March 17, 2005.

      Now it is Manny Pacquiao's turn. He has come to his own version of Capitol Hill, and he has chosen to walk the path of Mark McGwire and avoid the issue entirely. He's not here to talk about the past, or about blood testing -- and like McGwire, Manny Pacquiao thinks that should be good enough.

      It's not. It's not close to good enough. Fair or not, illegal performance enhancement is the new witch hunt, the new red scare. In the 17th century, if you were accused of being a witch, you were a witch unless you could prove otherwise. How could you prove otherwise? Well, you could be thrown off a cliff or burned at the stake. If you survived, then obviously you were a witch. And if you died? Well ... oops. But on the bright side, the fatal fall or fire cleansed your reputation.

      In the 1950s, when this country's fear of communism was stoked by a madman named Joseph McCarthy, the accusation of being a communist was the same thing as being a communist. If you were accused of it, you were it, until you proved otherwise. How could you prove otherwise? Well, you couldn't. Many victims of McCarthyism went to prison. At least one committed suicide. After a few years of nonsense, the hysteria died down, and McCarthy's influence subsided. And then, mercifully, he died at age 48 in 1957.

      Now the onus is on Pacquiao. Like so many who came before him -- McGwire, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, cyclists and sprinters and body builders -- he is guilty until proven innocent. But this is different from the Salem witch trials or the McCarthy's reign of terror, because the solution is simple:

      Do the blood test.

      Pacquiao's supporters say he will do the blood test, but they are right only up to a point. They refuse to see beyond that point, because that's what supporters do: They see what they want to see. And Pacquiao fans see this: They see Pacquiao as being accommodating -- willing to submit to a urine test whenever it is asked, and even willing to submit to a blood test months before the fight, or shortly after the fight.

      Pacquiao fans ignore this glaring truth, that their hero is not willing to give blood in the weeks leading up to the fight.

      When the HGH would still be in his system.

      That's what I see. I see Pacquiao avoiding the blood test. He says giving blood so soon before a fight would weaken him, but that's nonsense. He wouldn't be donating blood, for God's sake. He'd be giving a sample. A smidgen. A negligible amount.

      And let's be honest about this: There is reason to believe Pacquiao could be -- not is, but could be -- aided by HGH. He is fighting at 40 pounds above his debut weight, and he is better than ever. That goes against a century of boxing history, which has shown that fighters tend to get less effective as they rise in weight for two reasons: They lose power as they stray from their original weight class, and the accumulation of boxing's abuse begins to erode their skills.

      Not Pacquiao. The bigger he gets, the older he gets (he's 31), the better he gets. He was 39-3-2 with 30 knockouts in 44 fights at weights ranging from 106 to 129½ pounds. In his past 11 fights, most of them over 130 pounds and some of them into the 140s, he is 11-0 with eight knockouts, and he has done that against some of the world's best fighters in those classes. It makes no sense, and when it comes to the search for performance-enhancing cheats, that is the biggest red flag of all:

      It makes no sense.

      Until now, Pacquiao has somehow gotten bigger and better and yet he has avoided being linked to drugs. Why? Because boxing isn't a major media sport, and I say that as an amateur boxer myself. I love the sport, but it doesn't get the scrutiny of baseball or even of track or cycling, and so Pacquiao's unusual rise in size and performance has passed under the radar -- until now. Mayweather wants Pacquiao to prove his cleanliness by submitting a small amount of blood before their fight, and it is not an unreasonable request. Olympic fighters do it. But not Manny Pacquiao?

      Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum, says Pacquiao will fight someone else in March. Pacquiao says he will sue Mayweather, and others, for slander. They think life will go on, and I am here to tell them, it will not.

      Pacquiao is now linked to performance-enhancing drugs. Right or wrong, there it is -- and it won't go away. He can make like Mark McGwire and avoid the issue, and while his biggest fans will continue to believe in him, the rest of us will not forget.

      And when the time comes to assess his legacy, we will burn him at the stake.


      I completely agree with this article. Pac may as well tattoo the word CHEATER to his forehead if he refuses the test. It's just a shame that so many quality, honest fighters had to have their records tarnished by this juiced up Pinoy
      Who is refusing the test???

      The only question so far is who will be doing the test. And the cut off dates for the blood test. Random urine tests is laready agreed by both camps.

      The only thing that the camp of Pacman cannot agree on is the random blood test. But think of this: is there any prohibited substance that a boxer can take before the fight that would not show up in his blood right after the fight?

      You are also too quick to judge the juiced up Pinoy...go back to logic 101, - the fallacy of "non-sequitur" . . .
      Last edited by ispayder; 12-28-2009, 04:03 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SonnyG8R View Post
        Manny Pacquiao is face to face with the most important opponent of his boxing career, and it's not Floyd Mayweather. The opponent is himself. At stake? Nothing much. Only his place in the boxing pantheon. Only his legacy.

        This is his Mark McGwire Moment, and Pacquiao must attack it forcefully and bluntly. So far, he has bobbed and weaved. He has slipped the issue. He has refused Mayweather's insistence on Olympic-style drug testing before their 147-pound mega-fight, which was set for March 13 but now appears to be off because Pacquiao won't submit the necessary blood. He says he's superstitious. He says giving blood so close to the fight would weaken him. He says a bunch of gibberish, none of which makes sense, all of which makes him look as guilty as McGwire looked when he hit Capitol Hill and refused to discuss steroids.


        Manny Pacquiao has to step up and clear the air ... now. (Getty Images)
        "I'm not here to discuss the past," McGwire said in March 2005, and cemented his future. Almost five years have passed, and McGwire is still viewed as a steroid cheat. Three times his name has appeared on the Hall of Fame ballot, and three times he has failed to come close to induction despite having career numbers certainly worthy of Cooperstown, assuming he amassed those numbers legally. Most voters think he did not. Most voters are probably right, given his cartoonishly muscled body, his historical power and his evasion on Capitol Hill on March 17, 2005.

        Now it is Manny Pacquiao's turn. He has come to his own version of Capitol Hill, and he has chosen to walk the path of Mark McGwire and avoid the issue entirely. He's not here to talk about the past, or about blood testing -- and like McGwire, Manny Pacquiao thinks that should be good enough.

        It's not. It's not close to good enough. Fair or not, illegal performance enhancement is the new witch hunt, the new red scare. In the 17th century, if you were accused of being a witch, you were a witch unless you could prove otherwise. How could you prove otherwise? Well, you could be thrown off a cliff or burned at the stake. If you survived, then obviously you were a witch. And if you died? Well ... oops. But on the bright side, the fatal fall or fire cleansed your reputation.

        In the 1950s, when this country's fear of communism was stoked by a madman named Joseph McCarthy, the accusation of being a communist was the same thing as being a communist. If you were accused of it, you were it, until you proved otherwise. How could you prove otherwise? Well, you couldn't. Many victims of McCarthyism went to prison. At least one committed suicide. After a few years of nonsense, the hysteria died down, and McCarthy's influence subsided. And then, mercifully, he died at age 48 in 1957.

        Now the onus is on Pacquiao. Like so many who came before him -- McGwire, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, cyclists and sprinters and body builders -- he is guilty until proven innocent. But this is different from the Salem witch trials or the McCarthy's reign of terror, because the solution is simple:

        Do the blood test.

        Pacquiao's supporters say he will do the blood test, but they are right only up to a point. They refuse to see beyond that point, because that's what supporters do: They see what they want to see. And Pacquiao fans see this: They see Pacquiao as being accommodating -- willing to submit to a urine test whenever it is asked, and even willing to submit to a blood test months before the fight, or shortly after the fight.

        Pacquiao fans ignore this glaring truth, that their hero is not willing to give blood in the weeks leading up to the fight.

        When the HGH would still be in his system.

        That's what I see. I see Pacquiao avoiding the blood test. He says giving blood so soon before a fight would weaken him, but that's nonsense. He wouldn't be donating blood, for God's sake. He'd be giving a sample. A smidgen. A negligible amount.

        And let's be honest about this: There is reason to believe Pacquiao could be -- not is, but could be -- aided by HGH. He is fighting at 40 pounds above his debut weight, and he is better than ever. That goes against a century of boxing history, which has shown that fighters tend to get less effective as they rise in weight for two reasons: They lose power as they stray from their original weight class, and the accumulation of boxing's abuse begins to erode their skills.

        Not Pacquiao. The bigger he gets, the older he gets (he's 31), the better he gets. He was 39-3-2 with 30 knockouts in 44 fights at weights ranging from 106 to 129½ pounds. In his past 11 fights, most of them over 130 pounds and some of them into the 140s, he is 11-0 with eight knockouts, and he has done that against some of the world's best fighters in those classes. It makes no sense, and when it comes to the search for performance-enhancing cheats, that is the biggest red flag of all:

        It makes no sense.

        Until now, Pacquiao has somehow gotten bigger and better and yet he has avoided being linked to drugs. Why? Because boxing isn't a major media sport, and I say that as an amateur boxer myself. I love the sport, but it doesn't get the scrutiny of baseball or even of track or cycling, and so Pacquiao's unusual rise in size and performance has passed under the radar -- until now. Mayweather wants Pacquiao to prove his cleanliness by submitting a small amount of blood before their fight, and it is not an unreasonable request. Olympic fighters do it. But not Manny Pacquiao?

        Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum, says Pacquiao will fight someone else in March. Pacquiao says he will sue Mayweather, and others, for slander. They think life will go on, and I am here to tell them, it will not.

        Pacquiao is now linked to performance-enhancing drugs. Right or wrong, there it is -- and it won't go away. He can make like Mark McGwire and avoid the issue, and while his biggest fans will continue to believe in him, the rest of us will not forget.

        And when the time comes to assess his legacy, we will burn him at the stake.


        I completely agree with this article. Pac may as well tattoo the word CHEATER to his forehead if he refuses the test. It's just a shame that so many quality, honest fighters had to have their records tarnished by this juiced up Pinoy
        I'm going to use this video as a reply because he says it as it is:

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        • #5
          In the states, that's how things work. Guilty until proven innocent. It's sad and wrong but true.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SonnyG8R View Post
            Manny Pacquiao is face to face with the most important opponent of his boxing career, and it's not Floyd Mayweather. The opponent is himself. At stake? Nothing much. Only his place in the boxing pantheon. Only his legacy.

            This is his Mark McGwire Moment, and Pacquiao must attack it forcefully and bluntly. So far, he has bobbed and weaved. He has slipped the issue. He has refused Mayweather's insistence on Olympic-style drug testing before their 147-pound mega-fight, which was set for March 13 but now appears to be off because Pacquiao won't submit the necessary blood. He says he's superstitious. He says giving blood so close to the fight would weaken him. He says a bunch of gibberish, none of which makes sense, all of which makes him look as guilty as McGwire looked when he hit Capitol Hill and refused to discuss steroids.


            Manny Pacquiao has to step up and clear the air ... now. (Getty Images)
            "I'm not here to discuss the past," McGwire said in March 2005, and cemented his future. Almost five years have passed, and McGwire is still viewed as a steroid cheat. Three times his name has appeared on the Hall of Fame ballot, and three times he has failed to come close to induction despite having career numbers certainly worthy of Cooperstown, assuming he amassed those numbers legally. Most voters think he did not. Most voters are probably right, given his cartoonishly muscled body, his historical power and his evasion on Capitol Hill on March 17, 2005.

            Now it is Manny Pacquiao's turn. He has come to his own version of Capitol Hill, and he has chosen to walk the path of Mark McGwire and avoid the issue entirely. He's not here to talk about the past, or about blood testing -- and like McGwire, Manny Pacquiao thinks that should be good enough.

            It's not. It's not close to good enough. Fair or not, illegal performance enhancement is the new witch hunt, the new red scare. In the 17th century, if you were accused of being a witch, you were a witch unless you could prove otherwise. How could you prove otherwise? Well, you could be thrown off a cliff or burned at the stake. If you survived, then obviously you were a witch. And if you died? Well ... oops. But on the bright side, the fatal fall or fire cleansed your reputation.

            In the 1950s, when this country's fear of communism was stoked by a madman named Joseph McCarthy, the accusation of being a communist was the same thing as being a communist. If you were accused of it, you were it, until you proved otherwise. How could you prove otherwise? Well, you couldn't. Many victims of McCarthyism went to prison. At least one committed suicide. After a few years of nonsense, the hysteria died down, and McCarthy's influence subsided. And then, mercifully, he died at age 48 in 1957.

            Now the onus is on Pacquiao. Like so many who came before him -- McGwire, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, cyclists and sprinters and body builders -- he is guilty until proven innocent. But this is different from the Salem witch trials or the McCarthy's reign of terror, because the solution is simple:

            Do the blood test.

            Pacquiao's supporters say he will do the blood test, but they are right only up to a point. They refuse to see beyond that point, because that's what supporters do: They see what they want to see. And Pacquiao fans see this: They see Pacquiao as being accommodating -- willing to submit to a urine test whenever it is asked, and even willing to submit to a blood test months before the fight, or shortly after the fight.

            Pacquiao fans ignore this glaring truth, that their hero is not willing to give blood in the weeks leading up to the fight.

            When the HGH would still be in his system.

            That's what I see. I see Pacquiao avoiding the blood test. He says giving blood so soon before a fight would weaken him, but that's nonsense. He wouldn't be donating blood, for God's sake. He'd be giving a sample. A smidgen. A negligible amount.

            And let's be honest about this: There is reason to believe Pacquiao could be -- not is, but could be -- aided by HGH. He is fighting at 40 pounds above his debut weight, and he is better than ever. That goes against a century of boxing history, which has shown that fighters tend to get less effective as they rise in weight for two reasons: They lose power as they stray from their original weight class, and the accumulation of boxing's abuse begins to erode their skills.

            Not Pacquiao. The bigger he gets, the older he gets (he's 31), the better he gets. He was 39-3-2 with 30 knockouts in 44 fights at weights ranging from 106 to 129½ pounds. In his past 11 fights, most of them over 130 pounds and some of them into the 140s, he is 11-0 with eight knockouts, and he has done that against some of the world's best fighters in those classes. It makes no sense, and when it comes to the search for performance-enhancing cheats, that is the biggest red flag of all:

            It makes no sense.

            Until now, Pacquiao has somehow gotten bigger and better and yet he has avoided being linked to drugs. Why? Because boxing isn't a major media sport, and I say that as an amateur boxer myself. I love the sport, but it doesn't get the scrutiny of baseball or even of track or cycling, and so Pacquiao's unusual rise in size and performance has passed under the radar -- until now. Mayweather wants Pacquiao to prove his cleanliness by submitting a small amount of blood before their fight, and it is not an unreasonable request. Olympic fighters do it. But not Manny Pacquiao?

            Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum, says Pacquiao will fight someone else in March. Pacquiao says he will sue Mayweather, and others, for slander. They think life will go on, and I am here to tell them, it will not.

            Pacquiao is now linked to performance-enhancing drugs. Right or wrong, there it is -- and it won't go away. He can make like Mark McGwire and avoid the issue, and while his biggest fans will continue to believe in him, the rest of us will not forget.

            And when the time comes to assess his legacy, we will burn him at the stake.


            I completely agree with this article. Pac may as well tattoo the word CHEATER to his forehead if he refuses the test. It's just a shame that so many quality, honest fighters had to have their records tarnished by this juiced up Pinoy
            This topic says 2 things:

            1. Nevada State Athletic Commission's(NSAC) testing is not accurate. In my opinion NSAC has more drug education than mayweather fans lol.

            2. Muhammad Ali and ATG fighters are on steroids because they havent undergo this random blood testing proposed by Mayweather camp and GBP.

            3. Mayweather fans(*****s)have a very LOW IQ grade.


            Dear Mr. Floyd Mayweather Jr.,

            Aside from the standard urine tests, random blood testing is not mandated for professional boxing in any of the 50 States in the United States.

            Your initiative to clean-up drug usage, which happen to run rampant in your own family, including your father, a felon who got convicted for drug trafficking, your initiative to clean up boxing of drug users, is certainly highly commendable.

            Since your demand on the little Asian champion, Pacman, is not agreeable for him to be made the guinea pig of your proposition, the world boxing public would truly appreciate it if you'll take immediate action on your initiative.

            Please promptly talk to your current promoter, Golden Boy Promotions, and arrange to hold the first ever Boxing Championship Fight with random blood testing, featuring two prominent Black African-American fighters in the welterweight division:

            Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Sugar Shane Mosley

            This fight will be applauded by the general public in promoting drug-free athletics, not just here in the USA, but also in Asia, where the little Asian guy, Pacman, resides.

            Before you could convince them Asians, you've got to convince the various American boxing commissions first, who asserts that the urine tests and their existing processes, is among the best in the whole world.

            After all, if you can't convince the experts in the American athletic and boxing commissions, then you couldn't convince Pacman, because you don't have the proper academic credential, scientific expertise, nor adequate education concerning this complex matter.

            Accordingly, you need to resolve this controversy that you've instigated and make this fight arrangement against Sugar Shane Mosley immediately.


            Respectfully,

            Good Old Terriblejoe
            A professional boxing aficionado
            Last edited by HighFlyer; 12-28-2009, 08:37 PM.

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            • #7
              mutha**** both pacman and floyd, and all you pac or floyd lover boys can choke on a ****

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