Juan Manuel Marquez moving up

[JOM'S]

Nanakbo na yata nag kupal na si josh. Si thrilla me kasalanan dahil binigyan nya ng good karma!! bwahahahaha!!!!

WTF, Thrilla giving this guy GOOD KARMA ...

I HOPE ALL PINOYS HERE IN BS GIVES HIM BAD KARMA FOR BADMOUTHING FILIPINOS IN GENERAL ...

[kepsy]

That's all you can do like a little *****, write **** from your computer with your dumbass "nuthugger" crap.

touche.....

The trash talking between the Filipinos and Mexicans on this board were done because most of the Mexicans here are cool with the Filipinos and vice versa. Give or take a few true annoying nuthuggers on both sides, it was all friendly ribbings newbie. Most of them are intelligent enough to see through that, unfortunately you're not one of them. It actually made the fight more exciting to see after all the build-up.
Don't come in here and start calling people names when you don't even know the background between the users on the board, you ignorant bastard.

[THRILLAinmanila]

Apparently josh does not know his boxing history.
I bet he doesn't know about Pancho Villa and the great
Flash Elorde, two Filipino boxers currently enshrined in the
International Boxing Hall of Fame.

[THRILLAinmanila]

WTF, Thrilla giving this guy GOOD KARMA ...

I HOPE ALL PINOYS HERE IN BS GIVES HIM BAD KARMA FOR BADMOUTHING FILIPINOS IN GENERAL ...

Yeah my BIG mistake too excited to give the ******* bad karma ......

[Josh2k5]

Funny how you say Pacquiao's corner messed up and it's Maqruez who missed out on his payday lol. And please....if Marquez wanted a rematch that badly, he wouldn't have bitched about his purse.

Marquez didn't miss out on a payday. That's what he was negotiating to get, a payday a fighter of his caliber is worth.

Here's an excerpt from that article:

And those “top fights” and “bigger purses” are the responsibility of Marquez’s promoter, Top Rank, who the pugilist blames for his shortcomings. “Top Rank has held me back and not given me the promotional attention that I deserve. I blame them for me and my brother, Rafael’s, careers not being where they should be. A lot of people claim that I was asking for too much money for a rematch with Pacquiao, and it was my fault that the fight was not made, but I was not asking for more than a fighter of my quality deserves. I’m not asking for all of the pearls in the sea; just want what I’m worth. Although I’m making less money for the fight against Polo than what I was going to get for a rematch with Pacquiao, I’m still satisfied because I did not give in to them (Top Rank) and stood my ground. -- JMM

And again, Marquez isn't ducking Pacquiao. He wants a rematch and is willing to go up in weight to fight him:

"I also want to finish my business with Manny Pacquiao because I know that I beat him. I’ll go up to super featherweight and meet those guys there." -- JMM

I can understand him wanting more but don't come in here and start spitting out bull**** like it was Pac's camp's fault. The reason the rematch never took place was negotiations between HIM and HIS OWN PROMOTER Arum. Pac's purse was a guarantee by Murad and didn't involve no negotiations with Marquez.

I'd figure at some point in the negotiations for splitting the revenue from PPV dollars, Roach and Pac's corner would have some say in what their take is, but assuming that weren't the case, I'll concede it might've been strictly Top Rank's fault for negotiations falling through. But even if Freddy Roach's big-mouthed ass isn't the catalyst for the contract dispute, the fact remains: Marquez is the WBA/IBF champion and Pacquiao is the challenger. It's generally accepted that the champion gets the lion's share of the purse. And obviously that's not what's happening.

Pacquiao-Barrera (Barerra wasn't 100% but he tried everything from slugging to boxing and nothing in his repertoire, not even his 15 year experience allowed him to win more than one round against a man who has his number. Saying he was nothing but a mere "shell" of himself is coming from a fan in denial. And now, he don't even want to redeem himself lol I understand him though hahaha)

Barrera looked unmotivated and didn't fight the way he usually does and should have, especially against a hungry Pacquiao. I still give Pac credit for his part in beating a lacluster Barrera, but I think a hungrier Barrera would hammer Pacquiao with his superior boxing skills and "phone booth" exchanges. Here's an excerpt from a take on Barrera -- contrasting his fight with Paulie Ayala to his fight with Pacquiao:

Looking back through the lens of history and in the context of Barrera's performance last Saturday against Ayala some things are starting to become clear about Barrera's performance. Things that weren't so clear in the days and weeks following Pacquiao's veritable destruction of "The Baby Faced Assassin".

It's true, he looked slower than Pacquiao. Pacquiao looked hungrier and tougher. Manny clearly and distinctly unleashed all hell on Barrera.

But Barrera showed hunger on Saturday night. He came in ready, focused and with one thing in mind: to knock out Paulie Ayala. And he did. Where was the hunger in the Pacquiao fight?

In the immediate days leading up to the Pacquiao fight Barrera had some very serious distractions. Most obvious were the revelations that Marco had been fighting, not to mention living, with a metal plate in his head as a result of a medical procedure done in Mexico City back in 1995.

Barrera had fought 16 times since the procedure, had been examined by the boxing authorities and was cleared to fight.

At the same time all this was going on Barrera and his camp had to evacuate Big Bear and finish training camp in San Antonio as a result of the wildfires that struck California in the last week of October 2003.

All this happened in the few weeks leading up to the fight

-- http://www.talkingboxing.com/article...nusjune24.html

I read in some Manila sources some claims of some negotiation talks of a possible Barrera - Pacquiao rematch around September. I don't know about the credence to those claims, and I think that was before the Morales - Pacquiao match, so who really knows. I hope it's true. With Marquez setting the blueprint for beating Pacquiao and on the heels of a Morales beating of Pacquiao, I think Barrera would be willing to rematch Pacquiao more so than you think. You seem to think everyone is dodging Pacquiao. I just wanna see Pacquiao rematch any of the Mexican trio 'cause I know they can beat him handidly.

Pacquiao-Marquez (Draw, Close fight, 3 point difference should have won it for Pac. One judge ADMITTED he ****ed up and still people are blinded by the "comeback hype", started seeing a hollywood movie ending and stopped watching the end of the fight).

From the same source I listed above, here's an excerpt on what a lot of people, including myself, think about the Marquez - Pacquiao fight and a possible rematch:

First, let's explore the merits of a Pacquiao-Marquez rematch in relation to the other two possible fights.

The truth is that if most fans honestly assess the Pacquiao-Marquez fight they will have to admit that Marquez will probably win the rematch. At least he should be considered the betting favorite based on his performance in that fight.

There is very, very little chance that he would come out semi-cold and get caught and overwhelmed by the Pacquiao power again. Not a second time.

Many people felt that Marquez won 9 of the 12 rounds and even with the 10-6 score in the 1st round did enough to pull out the win by a score of 113-112.

Pacquiao-Morales (UD - Morales won hands down. Clear decision, no robbery).

Pacquaio vs mexican trio (1-1-1) when it should be (2-1).

Pac is like a thorn on a mexican's finger. 3 top mexicans of the past decade, took one filipino out of nowhere to drop 2 of them 3 times in their respective fights. lol

Again, Pacquiao could have easily been and should be IMO 1-2. And when Marquez rematches Pacquiao, it's very likely he'll avenge that draw and beat him (again).

I think Pacquiao is overrated and one-dimensional. I will give Pacquiao this -- he's doing the right thing by going for broke and fighting those big names. If he's to have any chance at making a name for himself as a great fighter, he's gonna have to go through them. And right now at 1-1-1 he needs to do more to eliminate any doubt that he's the best feather/super feather that Roach and company claim he is, and by the looks of his last fight, it doesn't seem likely he'll go any further than this. If anything, it's all downhill from here for him.

Looking forward to the rematches, so he can finally get the respect he deserves from everyone who's in denial like yourself

I think I'd give Pacquiao a little more respect than I'm giving him now, but as long as ****-talkers like yourself keep running your crap and deluding yourselves, I'll reserve my respect for better fighters that deserve it.

[bongkoy]

I HOPE ALL PINOYS HERE IN BS GIVES HIM BAD KARMA FOR BADMOUTHING FILIPINOS IN GENERAL ...

done...
nagtago na ang kumag, naglabasan na ang mga pinoy.

[Josh2k5]

mooks scored a knocdown!!! Josh2k5 is bloodied and ran out of the ring

Only in Pacquiao lala land, where anything can happen, where Pacquiao is the hardest hitter of all time and he's the greatest ever p4p fighter.

[rpmjr78]

What the hell do you mean you hope JMM makes up his mind with what he wants to do?

He wants to fight Pacquiao, Barrera and Morales. Reread that article and learn to comprehend what is being stated. Whoever made the first post about Marquez moving up meant as in rising up as a fighter, not moving up in weight to avoid Pac, or that Marquez was indecisive about wanting to fight Pac. These are some excerpts from that article posted, of what Marquez said:

"I’m as good as Morales and Barrera, and just need a good promoter to get me fights against those guys to prove that I belong with the elite boxers of the world. I also want to finish my business with Manny Pacquiao because I know that I beat him. I’ll go up to super featherweight and meet those guys there." -JMM


"All I can do is continue to work hard, prepare myself, and I’m here to face any of the top fighters in the featherweight and super featherweight divisions." -JMM



I wanna see a rematch of JMM - Pac or Morales - Pac or Barrera - Pac (Barrera needs to redeem himself. There were a lot of distractions prior to the fight and it cost him. He didn't look the same. He was just going through the motions.)

As far as the JMM - Pac rematch goes. Too bad it fell through. I thought Marquez would have easily outboxed and reversed the tables on Pacquiao if they rematched. I don't think Pac would've gotten so lucky in the first round if they did rematch.

And Marquez apparently wouldn't have gotten the lion's share of the rematch purse (read the aforementioned article). His ****ty Top Rank promotion isn't giving Marquez his just due. I think he needs to drop Top Rank and get himself a promotional team that can get him paid so he can get it on with Pacquiao, Morales and Barrera without getting stiffed. These would all be good fights and we could decide once and for all who the best featherweight/super featherweight is out there.

And you know what, I can't say I blame Marquez for wanting the lion's share of the pie. He's pushing 30 yrs old and worked hard to make his bones in boxing, so to speak, with little reward for his hard-earned efforts. Naseem Hamed dodged him for years, and like that article noted, so did other top-caliber fighters. Pac hasn't made his bones in the sport like Marquez has, so Freddie Roach needs to learn how to negotiate like a reasonable person and give Marquez and Pac what they deserve financially speaking. After all, Marquez is the one with the titles, and Pacquiao is the challenger. It's a given, the champion deserves the lion's share of the purse, plain and simple. Either way, aside from all the negotiations and lip-smacking from Roach and all the Pac bandwagoners, I can't wait to see a rematch. I think it'll eventually happen, though I think a Morales rematch is more likely to happen, which I also want to see just as much.

Freddie Roach and company refused to give Marquez his just due, as is customary. -Josh2k5

Beltholders don't always get the bigger paycheck, the bigger draw gets the bigger paycheck. There's way too many belts for money to get awarded by belts. ****, they don't even need belts anymore. Barrera used to never keep his belts and didn't give a ****. And I don't know any pac fans who thought manny would win in the first. Sounds like you said it.

Just remember, erik morales requested the ***** gloves, not manny. Mexican honor code says he has to fight with the Reyes now.

And what the hell up with JMM not getting a shot at his countrymen? Pac fought all three 'legends' in a ****ing row, and got 4 knockdowns versus 0 times down for him. You got to give him props for that.

[Josh2k5]

Beltholders don't always get the bigger paycheck, the bigger draw gets the bigger paycheck. There's way too many belts for money to get awarded by belts. ****, they don't even need belts anymore. Barrera used to never keep his belts and didn't give a ****. And I don't know any pac fans who thought manny would win in the first. Sounds like you said it.

Bull****, the 3 major belts (2 of which Marquez has) are what determine the champions from the contenders. And it's generally known and accepted, whoever has them gets the lion's share of the take. Just like when a contender fights a champion, he has to take it to the champ, not the other way around. And in JMM's case he's been slighted for so long and was asking for his take as a champ. I don't see anything wrong with that. So you're wrong. The champion dictates the terms not the challenger.

There's too many flames from your fellow countrymen to respond to them individually, so I'll just respond to all the haters on this post. First off "czar salad" started up the flame war with his "***** nuthugger" post. And it's obvious on this board there's a lot of underlying racism going on. Don't even act like filipino's aren't getting in on it either. I may have made a generalization but I didn't make any racist posts like a lot of the haters are claiming. And I'm not ****** I know we're all gonna support our own kind. And I made a generalization but it was my opinion -- based on what I've read on this board and other boards the majority of filipino posts I've read were ****-talking and made exaggerated claims.

And btw I do have respect for filipinos, and was cool with em, but I'm not about to respect where respect isn't given.

Rifo a mi gente y si no te gusta te meto mi cuete en tu ojete.

Just remember, erik morales requested the ***** gloves, not manny. Mexican honor code says he has to fight with the Reyes now.

That's another crybaby excuse you conspiracy theorists use because you can't accept the fact that Pac got beat. Like Roy Jones Jr. said in his commentary of the fight, the gloves they had in their match wasn't even an issue like Merchant was yammering about. I'll take Roy Jones Jr.'s word for it over Larry Merchant's. Jones speaks from experience. They were both using the same type of 14 oz. regulation gloves and they both had the capability to do their damage in the ring. And someone else had posted about this on another thread -- Pacquiao himself admitted that the gloves they used were a non-issue. It's only conspiracy theorists like yourself that can't accept defeat that use that as a crutch for Pacquiao's loss. And Morales is a hard hitter himself, if they were to use some sort of 5 oz gloves (14 oz is the minimum as I understand it), Morales would be inflicting his own damage on Pacquiao and would dispatch of him even faster. I hope next time they fight in Reyes so it won't even be used as a crutch by all the Pac conspiracy theorists any more.

And what the hell up with JMM not getting a shot at his countrymen? Pac fought all three 'legends' in a ****ing row, and got 4 knockdowns versus 0 times down for him. You got to give him props for that.

I guess Barrera and Morales were looking for bigger paydays with names that were in the limelight (pre-Marquez-Pacquiao).

And Pac was getting rocked and he wobbled several times against Marquez. I just wonder what more he would have done if he didn't have to regain his bearings after the 3 knockdowns in the first. Even then, he showed a lot of heart coming back and putting a whipping on Pacquiao. And against Morales, your boy was spitting up blood by the 3rd and he got the right side of his face looking like a crimson mask, as I read one writer put it. So Pac didn't exactly go through all 3 of them without a hitch. He won one, drew with one (which I thought he should've lost on points), and lost one. And along the way, he took a worse beating each time.

And I already wrote in my other post, he's doing the right thing by fighting the top names in the division(s). And I can't wait till they rematch again. Pac will get exposed again, and again, and again.

[Chadmack]

Bull****, the 3 major belts (2 of which Marquez has) are what determine the champions from the contenders. And it's generally known and accepted, whoever has them gets the lion's share of the take. Just like when a contender fights a champion, he has to take it to the champ, not the other way around. And in JMM's case he's been slighted for so long and was asking for his take as a champ. I don't see anything wrong with that. So you're wrong. The champion dictates the terms not the challenger.

now this is bull****, have you heard of the fight between ODLH vs BHOP? ohhh, thats Oscar De La Hoya vs Bernard Hopkins, just in case you dont know any of them... Who got the lions share on that??? ODLH! BHop was the holder of the 3 major belts, namely, WBA Middleweight Title, WBC Middleweight Title, and the IBF Middleweight Title, while ODLH holds the WBO Middleweight Title(for beating sturm). ODLH got the lion share on that and what a lion share it was, while BHop got only 25% of what ODLH took. DAMN, ACCORDING TO YOU, BHOP SHOULD HAVE HAD THE LIONSHARE ON THAT BOUT, BUT HECK, BELTS DONT DICTATE THE MONEY TERMS HERE, THIS IS PROFESSIONAL BOXING BRO ...

are you JMM himself? ronnie nathanielz perhaps? murad, is that you?