Greatest UK fighter ever?

[paul750]

Lennox Lewis is Canadian. The best British fighter would probably be Herol Graham I reckon, even though he never won a world title.

how is lennox canadian when he was born in england and stayed there until he was like 11 or something?

[Yogi]

Kingmo and Barryboy;

The records of some of the earlier lesser known fighters from the earliest days are very hard to come by, and very rarely are they even close to complete (especially by boxrec). Don't be fooled into thinking that just because boxrec hasn't any recorded fights for some of those guys, that means that they didn't have any previous fights. That's not the case, and some of those guys MAY have had PLENTY of fights at the time. It's just with the lesser known guys, it's VERY hard finding the additional info to add to their records over there. Boxrec does a great job compiling fight record and whatnot. But they are FAR from complete, and especially with the fighters/fights of the early days.

For example, I have an old edition of Ring packed away somewhere (from about ten years ago), and in that magazine it gives a very detailed record of one of the most famous "bums" in history, Joe Grim. And in that Ring magazine they credit Grim with having close to or even over 300 recorded career fights. Yet boxrec has how many of Grim? Less than a hundred, last time I looked.

It's a tough ordeal trying to put together fight records of even the hall of famers from that era (and they keep finding new fights every single day for alot of them), so imagine how difficult it'd be trying to put together records for fighters who never recieved much (if any) newspaper coverage. And that's how they do it over there, with the newspares and such. They like to confirm that a bout took place by actually having documented proof of the fight, and rightfully so.

Something to think about next time you claim such-and-such didn't have that many or even any fights.

[Southpaw16]

Lewis being Canadian

He was born in England and stayed until age 11, but he became a boxer while he was in Canada and represented Canada in the olympics. You could really say he is both British and Canadian, he does have duel citizenship.

[barryboy]

Kingmo and Barryboy;

I have an old edition of Ring packed away somewhere (from about ten years ago), and in that magazine it gives a very detailed record of one of the most famous "bums" in history, Joe Grim. And in that Ring magazine they credit Grim with having close to or even over 300 recorded career fights. Yet boxrec has how many of Grim? Less than a hundred, last time I looked.
Something to think about next time you claim such-and-such didn't have that many or even any fights.

I remember having the issue you're talking about, the guy who was impossible to stop right? think it was from between 90-92. The thing was the guys in the days of Ted Kid Lewis, Benny Lynch etc. especially in Britain fought in the boxing booths so it's most likely a lot of the guys had fights in the booths & the bouts weren't recorded but having read the Benny Lynch book which talks about the booths, they were all tough men but a lot of them had like today's sparring partner mentality of putting on a good show but not enough to beat the favourite if you know what I mean so it's very debatable whether the early oppositon of these guys was up to much we just don't know so it's all guess work really.

[Palma]

Michael " Silk" Olajide, Jr

Born in Liverpool, England

One of the great english born fighters in my book!

[kingmo]

Kingmo and Barryboy;

The records of some of the earlier lesser known fighters from the earliest days are very hard to come by, and very rarely are they even close to complete (especially by boxrec). Don't be fooled into thinking that just because boxrec hasn't any recorded fights for some of those guys, that means that they didn't have any previous fights. That's not the case, and some of those guys MAY have had PLENTY of fights at the time. It's just with the lesser known guys, it's VERY hard finding the additional info to add to their records over there. Boxrec does a great job compiling fight record and whatnot. But they are FAR from complete, and especially with the fighters/fights of the early days.

For example, I have an old edition of Ring packed away somewhere (from about ten years ago), and in that magazine it gives a very detailed record of one of the most famous "bums" in history, Joe Grim. And in that Ring magazine they credit Grim with having close to or even over 300 recorded career fights. Yet boxrec has how many of Grim? Less than a hundred, last time I looked.

It's a tough ordeal trying to put together fight records of even the hall of famers from that era (and they keep finding new fights every single day for alot of them), so imagine how difficult it'd be trying to put together records for fighters who never recieved much (if any) newspaper coverage. And that's how they do it over there, with the newspares and such. They like to confirm that a bout took place by actually having documented proof of the fight, and rightfully so.

Something to think about next time you claim such-and-such didn't have that many or even any fights.

Yeah good point.. but my point still remains the same, Jimmy Wilde fought a hell of a lot of tomato cans.. even if there records aren't complete, and they weren't total novices... they obviously weren't top class fighters as if they were 1) there would be more accurate records for them. 2) the fights (with Wilde) would be well documented as big fights in Wildes career.

[OliverNo1]

RE Nigel Benn


Benn often gets mentioned as having a big heart - but towards the end he "twisted his ankle" then retired on his stool when in no visible distress in consecutive fights against Steve Collins, these are not the actions of a fighter with a big heart. In fairness to him he had shown a lot of heart up until then in his career.

Benn exciting yes, but no more than that.

[J !]

RE Nigel Benn


Benn often gets mentioned as having a big heart - but towards the end he "twisted his ankle" then retired on his stool when in no visible distress in consecutive fights against Steve Collins, these are not the actions of a fighter with a big heart. In fairness to him he had shown a lot of heart up until then in his career.

Benn exciting yes, but no more than that.

PUUURLEASE!
Nigel Benn had one of the biggest hearts EVER. No visible distress thats vcos of the mess he left Mclellan in you silly chap!
He wasnt mentally in it anymore, prior to that he was a warrior, he just lost his love for the game when he injured Gerald. Understandable really do not question Nigel Benns heart, its the one thing that got him through his fights, oh yeah and by the way he is the ONLY British Super/middle weight who took on the overseas stars, Iran Barkley a superstar at the time a man who ko'd tommy hearns in 3 then decisioned him in a rematch and benn ko'd him in one.
Then you have Gman who at the time was P4P rated one above Roy Jones at the time, watch that fight and tell me nige Benn has no heart. Laughable.

Benn has more claim to being in a top ten british all time list simply cos he went out and fought the best in the World something Eubank and Collins bottled it from doing.
So if you questions anyones heart is should be those two.

Top ten:
Lennox Lewis
Ted Kid Lewis
Jimmy Wilde
Bob Fitzimmons
Ken Buchanon
Jack Kid Berg
Randy Turpin
Benny Lynch
Jim Driscoll
Nigel Benn


and for good measure 11-20
John Conteh
Jem Mace
Naseem Hamed
Chris Eubank
Lloyd Honeygun
Owen Moran
Barry Mcguigan
Dave Charnley
Alan Minter
Jim Watt.

Please dont queston nigels benns heart again, I wont be so polite next time.


footnote :
LENNOX LEWIS IS NOT ****ING CANADIAN.
HE WAS BORN IN HORNSEY WITHIN THE SOUND OF BOW BELLES WHICH MAKES HIM MORE OF A ****NEY THAN THE QUEEN.



He was taken to Canada when his father left his mother in dire straights and Lennnox kept getting in trouble with at School, so his mother took 12 yr old lennox to start a new life. He reutnred in his early 20's so he stayed in canadz for ten years max, how does that him canadian?

He has jamaican parents and was born in London. He just lived in Canada, that doesnt make him canadian.