Is Marquez A P4p Fighter After Salido?

[grayfist]

JMM may have purposely not shown all he has being in the presence of Pacquiao, Barrera and Morales. I really thought he would win by knockout.

If he did that, i.e., not show what he can really do, he was not doing Arum, his boss, any good and he did not fulfill his contractual obligation, required of all fighters who enter the ring, to give it their best effort. More important, he was unfair to his fans who paid good money to watch him perform at peak.

[grayfist]

Yeah he did what he had to do to win but I wasn't impressed. He was missing a lot of his combo counters when Salido was coming in and out. When Salido stayed there, JMM capitalized. Marquez looked slow at times and got caught with punches that shouldn't have landed. I dunno, for a fight against a whatever fighter, it wasn't an impressive performance.

One thing I don't like about counterpunchers other than they are sleepers is the fact that they are dependant. I'm all for counterpunching but to rely and base your style solely on it doesn't sit well with me. When a stronger and quicker guy comes, they have nothing.

Yup. We have Gerry Penalosa to look back to.

[grayfist]

Marquez going p4p after Salido? Salido put him on a slippery slope.

[baliw_nga]

Marquez might be considered a p4p but he sure isnt a true warrior in the mold of Pacquiao,and to some extent, Barrera, and Morales.
A true warrior to me is someone who gives his best in every fight, someone who takes risk in order to prove that he's the best of them, unfortunately, Marquez hasnt shown that in the Salido fight. He fought a safe fight, apparently preserving himself for future battles we're not even sure if will ever happen. Add to that the fact that he avoided an immediate rematch with Pacquiao, to sum it all up, Marquez cant be considered an elite fighter.

[mr. bojangles]

Marquez might be considered a p4p but he sure isnt a true warrior in the mold of Pacquiao,and to some extent, Barrera, and Morales.
A true warrior to me is someone who gives his best in every fight, someone who takes risk in order to prove that he's the best of them, unfortunately, Marquez hasnt shown that in the Salido fight. He fought a safe fight, apparently preserving himself for future battles we're not even sure if will ever happen. Add to that the fact that he avoided an immediate rematch with Pacquiao, to some it all up, Marquez cant be considered an elite fighter.

JMM has a totally different game compared to Pac. He is a calculating, methodical and smart ring technician compared to Pac who's a no-holds-barred, take-no-prisoners, all-out-assault kind of a fighter. He's really exciting & fun to watch alright but don't downgrade the double champ's chess game approach. However, he was really boring against Salido. He was overly cautious and just waited a bit too long for the also cautious challenger to commit. That's what normally happens when a counterpuncher faces another counterpuncher or a simply scared opponent (like Forrest Gump Gainer ) A BORING FIGHT! Well, these 2 Top Rank fighters could've just played along by the script for all we know. If knocking out opponents at every single fight is the sole criteria to be a P4P fighter, then Marquez doesn't seem to deserve to be in that list .

[SonnyG8R]

I pretty much agree with what everyone else has already said. He's in the top 10 p4p, but not because of the salido fight.

[JaNnO]

I pretty much agree with what everyone else has already said. He's in the top 10 p4p, but not because of the salido fight.

I don't think he should be there. He's a good ring general and technician but it stops there. He's one-dimensional and a passive counter-puncher who just capitalizes on his opponent's mistake. The quality of his opponents is a big question too? He didn't even win against tha Pacman - yet everybody seems to be giving him a lot of credit already. The standard of boxing is really on the decline!

[m00ks]

I don't think he should be there. He's a good ring general and technician but it stops there. He's one-dimensional and a passive counter-puncher who just capitalizes on his opponent's mistake. The quality of his opponents is a big question too? He didn't even win against tha Pacman - yet everybody seems to be giving him a lot of credit already. The standard of boxing is really on the decline!

Seriously, before fighting Pacman he was no where near the list, he gets a "draw" against a recent bantamweight turned feather and who was a mere "contender".

[psychopath]

I don't think he should be there. He's a good ring general and technician but it stops there. He's one-dimensional and a passive counter-puncher who just capitalizes on his opponent's mistake. The quality of his opponents is a big question too? He didn't even win against tha Pacman - yet everybody seems to be giving him a lot of credit already. The standard of boxing is really on the decline!

That's right . . . he shouldn't be there. That was the making of Dirty Arum. Despite having two belts JMM was practically unheralded before he fought Pacquiao. . . and in that fight he showed his guts and counter punching powers but that all and should end to that . . . but placing him in the P4P list after settling for a DRAW aided by a judges scoring error and the Ref's ******ity of not deducting a point after so many warning for low blows is simply unacceptable for me.

[Verbl_Kint]

Yeah he did what he had to do to win but I wasn't impressed. He was missing a lot of his combo counters when Salido was coming in and out. When Salido stayed there, JMM capitalized. Marquez looked slow at times and got caught with punches that shouldn't have landed. I dunno, for a fight against a whatever fighter, it wasn't an impressive performance.

Hey m00ks, you got a great avatar there.