The Top 5 Reasons You Can't Blame Joe Frazier for Hating Muhammad Ali

[sleazyfellow]

fanman is obviously a ali hater, and hes 10 years old, psh, bs...mayb its tommyhearns from b4 lol, that guy was a riot
ps. good thread butterfly

[The Troll]

This shows how much you know about boxing. Bert Sugar never said that Muhammad Ali was the greatest fighter, or that Jack Johnson was the third greatest. He always said Sugar Ray Robinson was number one, and that Willie Pep was number three. He has Ali at number seven, and Johnson at number 10.

Owned!

He rates Ali as the best heavyweight and Johnson as 3rd or 4th on Ringside.

[butterfly1964]

He rates Ali as the best heavyweight and Johnson as 3rd or 4th on Ringside.

He rated Ali as the second best heavyweight under Joe Louis. Again I'm showing you that you know nothing.

[brownpimp88]

He rated Ali as the second best heavyweight under Joe Louis. Again I'm showing you that you know nothing.

how high does he rank the following fighters?
lennox
holyfield
bowe
tyson
holmes

Also, who does he think is better, roy jones jr or mike spinks.

[hhascup]

how high does he rank the following fighters?
lennox
holyfield
bowe
tyson
holmes

Also, who does he think is better, roy jones jr or mike spinks.

On the Heavyweights, he rates Holmes at #10, all the others are outside the top 10.

I asked him about his rating from 1991 to today, when he rated Dempsey #1. He said, he listens to people.

Here's his rating from 1991 and then today:

Bert Sugar, 1991

1.Jack Dempsey
2.Joe Louis
3.Muhammad Ali
4.Jack Johnson
5.Gene Tunney
6.Rocky Marciano
7.Joe Frazier
8.Larry Holmes
9.Sonny Liston
10.Mike Tyson

Here's Bert Sugar's list Today:

BERT SUGAR'S TOP 10 FIGHTERS

1. Sugar Ray Robinson, welterweight-middleweight, 1940-65
2. Henry Armstrong, featherweight-lightweight-welterweight, 1940-59
3. Willie Pep, featherweight, 1940-59
4. Joe Louis, heavyweight, 1934-51
5. Harry Greb, middleweight, light heavyweight, 1913-26
6. Benny Leonard, lightweight, 1911-32
7. Muhammad Ali, heavyweight, 1960-81
8. Roberto Duran, lightweight, welterweight, junior middleweight, 1967-2001
9. Jack Dempsey, heavyweight, 1914-27
10. Jack Johnson, heavyweight, 1897-1928
Source: "Boxing's Greatest Fighters," 2006


Sugar's top 10 heavyweights

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Jack Dempsey
4. Jack Johnson
5. Gene Tunney
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Ezzard Charles
8. George Foreman
9. Joe Frazier
10. Larry Holmes

Source: "Ringside: The Ten Greatest Heavyweights," ESPN Classic

[Yogi]

Also, who does he think is better, roy jones jr or mike spinks.

He ranked Jones at #88 in his latest edition of his top 100 fighters of all-time, and unless I'm simply missing Spinks' name (I've gone over it twice though), I don't see him anywhere to be found...

So, Sugar ranks Jones higher as of his latest ranking.

[brownpimp88]

He ranked Jones at #88 in his latest edition of his top 100 fighters of all-time, and unless I'm simply missing Spinks' name (I've gone over it twice though), I don't see him anywhere to be found...

So, Sugar ranks Jones higher as of his latest ranking.

Ok bert definetly has an old school bias for sure. His rankings are clearly biased towards certain eras. Spinks was the undisputed light heavyweight champ when the division was stacked, he became linear heavyweight champ and yet he's not in his top 100, lol. RING magazine has spinks in the top 50.

He decides to rank old guys that wouldn't last in todays era. Should i remind u that ezzard's record at heavyweight is horrible.

[butterfly1964]

Here's Bert Sugar's list Today:

1. Louis
2. Ali
3. Johnson
4. Dempsey
5. Tunney
6. Marciano
7. Charles
8. Foreman
9. Frazier
10. Holmes

Johnson is number 4, and Dempsey is number three.

[fasman]

Ali, one of the biggest pieces of **** ever in pro boxing.

selfish primadonna mediawhore.

no!! but your a prick and a racist who dont know **** !!!!

[hhascup]

Johnson is number 4, and Dempsey is number three.

Yes, I made the change, I was trying to do it from memory:

Here's his all-time pound for pound list followed by his all-time Heavyweights:

BERT SUGAR'S TOP 10 FIGHTERS>>
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1. Sugar Ray Robinson, welterweight-middleweight, 1940-65
2. Henry Armstrong, featherweight-lightweight-welterweight, 1940-59
3. Willie Pep, featherweight, 1940-59
4. Joe Louis, heavyweight, 1934-51
5. Harry Greb, middleweight, light heavyweight, 1913-26
6. Benny Leonard, lightweight, 1911-32
7. Muhammad Ali, heavyweight, 1960-81
8. Roberto Duran, lightweight, welterweight, junior middleweight, 1967-2001
9. Jack Dempsey, heavyweight, 1914-27
10. Jack Johnson, heavyweight, 1897-1928
Source: "Boxing's Greatest Fighters," 2006


Sugar's top 10 heavyweights

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Jack Dempsey
4. Jack Johnson
5. Gene Tunney
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Ezzard Charles
8. George Foreman
9. Joe Frazier
10. Larry Holmes

Source: "Ringside: The Ten Greatest Heavyweights," ESPN Classic