John L. Sullivan

[j]

i have unforgivable blackness as well - both book and video documentary. it certainly was a definitive book on jack. if you interested, on jack johnson i also have

"boxing day" detailing jack's win over tommy burns.
http://www.amazon.com/Boxing-Day-Fig.../dp/0732264804

and

"jack johnson is a dandy" jacks own autobiography.
http://www.amazon.com/Jack-Johnson-d...e=UTF8&s=books

both are interesting. "boxing day" goes into more detail on how jack had positioned himself for a title fight with burns and the aftermath than "unforgivable blackness."

and jack's autobiography is very, very interesting. strangely, i've read a few reviews that have stated there is no way to tell how much of what jack wrote is factual - mostly his early childhood. some details include jack's thoughts on keeping in shape, how he personally viewed many of his fights, and even a little something on dietary habits. it's the perfect book to go along with reading documentations of his life and boxing career.

i could send you some excerpts or something from it if you want to check these out. both have at least some info on jim. you may want to read the autobiography to read what jack was thinking about his fight with jim.

mostly though, i forgot how many books i have. i don't have all of them close-by. now, william muldoon, i don't have anything on him besides the book on john l. he does seem like an interesting person - at least being a boxing trainer and especially training john l if i remember correctly.

[apollack]

Review of The Career of the First Gloved Heavyweight Champion

Check out Tracy Callis' review of John L. Sullivan: The Career of the First Gloved Heavyweight Champion.

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxin...ook-Review.htm

[jason100x]

Thanks for the recommendations. I'll have to check them out. Right now I'm backed up so far with reading material (although I do intend to put everything aside when the Sullivan book arrives) that it might be awhile before I get to those books but I certainly wouldn't mind reading the Jack Johnson autobiography.
Muldoon seems like one of those fascinating characters worthy of a book, it's too bad there doesn't seem to be one. Maybe I'll have to write it at some point...

Adam, I look forward to your book coming, and like I said, I'm sure it will be a good read and a useful reference. If McFarland Publishing is putting it out and I have a number of books from them then it must be good.

[LondonRingRules]

I don't blame John: he had to be ignorant...he must have not been educated because he obviously couldn't comprehend history or even his present day...

** Doing a bit of self reflection, eh? I'm hardly a Sullivan fan, but what you know about history and racism wouldn't fill up the heads of those pins you shove up your nose and lips and you know less about boxing.

Sullivan was far more advanced in his day then you are in your's and you certainly shouldn't be allowed to sully the memory of Peter Jackson by even mentioning him at all. Git thee back to your dumpster nursing home and forsake forums that expose your flaccid insipience.

[LondonRingRules]

"jack johnson is a dandy" jacks own autobiography.
http://www.amazon.com/Jack-Johnson-d...e=UTF8&s=books

** Johnson also wrote an addendum to his bio which he sold to Nat Fleischer upon Jack's release from prison. Nat never published it because he knew it to be complete fiction. Johnson went to his grave thinking he was still good enough to win the title back from Joe Louis, an prototype of Holyfield today.

[Abe Attell]

** Doing a bit of self reflection, eh? I'm hardly a Sullivan fan, but what you know about history and racism wouldn't fill up the heads of those pins you shove up your nose and lips and you know less about boxing.

Sullivan was far more advanced in his day then you are in your's and you certainly shouldn't be allowed to sully the memory of Peter Jackson by even mentioning him at all. Git thee back to your dumpster nursing home and forsake forums that expose your flaccid insipience.

I am sorry, I don't speak "junkie"

[King Koyle]

Not fair, Butterfly. Blacks were freed from slavery a mere 15 years before John L. won the world title, so when he was a kid, Blacks were property in the south. You can't undo a lifetime of brainwashing. The brain is a computer which is fed information over time and computes and comes to conclusion through reason....and not all "computers" are equal. John L. had his opinions based on all of the input he'd collected over his lifetime from a variety of tainted and ignorant sources....and it was still socially accepted to look down on blacks, or negroes at that time.

You can not expect John L. to be above the norm simply because we know now that it is wrong. There are children being raised racist today on pupose; and they've got 100 times the resources to the contrary that John L. had. It was only a mere 40 years ago that Marin Luther King Jr. began to awaken America's awareness.....and that was 80 years after Sullivan was champ.

You are being unfair in your judgement and presumptions.

Intelligent post as usual K-Dogg......

[jason100x]

Today I received my copy of the Adam Pollack book on John L. Sullivan. I'll write a more detailed commentary on it after I read it but just flipping through it I can see that it's very thorough. Filled with plenty of photos, it goes through the major fights with round by round detail, described by contemporary newspaper reports. The appendix is VERY detailed, listing his professional fight record.
Amazon has the book but they were taking their time sending it out so I switched my order to Barnes And Noble and received it the next day.

[Southpaw Stinger]

Today I received my copy of the Adam Pollack book on John L. Sullivan. I'll write a more detailed commentary on it after I read it but just flipping through it I can see that it's very thorough. Filled with plenty of photos, it goes through the major fights with round by round detail, described by contemporary newspaper reports. The appendix is VERY detailed, listing his professional fight record.
Amazon has the book but they were taking their time sending it out so I switched my order to Barnes And Noble and received it the next day.

Look forward to reading your review.

[jason100x]

I finished the book about John L. Sullivan by Adam Pollack. I was very impressed by its detail on his fighting career and strongly recommend it to anyone who is interested in the subject. The Isenberg bio of Sullivan is more of an actual biography detailing events of Sullivan's life and the background of the time while the Pollack book isn't a biography exactly but strictly details his boxing career, so for a complete view of his life, it would be better to read both. But if you are looking for a book that strictly covers the boxing aspects, then this book will more than suffice.

The Pollack book into enormous detail on the important fights, except for a major omission of the Corbett fight. I would have liked to have read a detailed account of the Corbett fight, which is only described in a few sentences in this book. On the other hand the Jake Kilrain fight takes up about twenty-five pages of description. That was the most fascinating part of the book; reading a round by round description of the fight using several contemporary newspaper accounts. I like the format of describing the other major fights in a similar round by round manner. The book also goes into a considerable amount of detail into the background behind Peter Jackson, the black Australian contender who caused Sullivan much criticism particularly from the Australian press for not fighting him. That part was very interesting as I didn't know much about him. Also, there is background on most of the other contenders to Sullivan's title.

Overall, I consider John L. Sullivan a great addition to my library and see it as setting a new standard in boxing books.