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  • hayZ
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    #11
    them newspapers at the time must have been really biased because he was white, peter jackson would have murdered him.

    sullivan was a disgrace racist scum

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    • Yogi
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      #12
      Originally posted by hayZ
      them newspapers at the time must have been really biased because he was white
      I don't know what you've discovered in your research, my friend, but during my own research of the early MoQ era I have found that there was very little, if any, racial bias coming through from the boxing writers of that time...

      You might want to go back and review what the newspapers of the time were saying about the great black fighters of that era, such as Jackson, George Dixon, Barbados Joe, Joe Gans, etc...I think you will find that all of those fighters were written about in the HIGHEST terms possible. In fact, I know you will.

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      • Southpaw Stinger
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        #13
        I think this is the only last surviving footage of John L.

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        • BKM-
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          #14
          Wow, where do they bread these kids.

          John L. Sullivan was a racist scum? Piece of trash?

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          • K-DOGG
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            #15
            Originally posted by apollack
            New book should be out in week or so:

            John L. Sullivan: The Career of the First Gloved Heavyweight Champion.

            The direct link is



            The preface is also available for viewing:



            Advance orders are available.

            I'll be happy to answer any questions anyone has about the book.

            Basically, it focuses on the boxing much more than any other Sullivan book, not his personal life, etc. I used local next day newspaper reports so that you can experience it the way readers did at the time. Any question you have about one of his fights - this is the book you are going to reference.
            Can't wait to buy a copy.

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            • butterfly1964
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              #16
              Originally posted by Yaman
              Wow, where do they bread these kids.

              John L. Sullivan was a racist scum? Piece of trash?
              He was.

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              • K-DOGG
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                #17
                Originally posted by butterfly1964
                He was.
                Butterfly, he was a product of the times....that doesn't mean he was worthless....it means he was ignorant.

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                • butterfly1964
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by K-DOGG
                  Butterfly, he was a product of the times....that doesn't mean he was worthless....it means he was ignorant.
                  Ok, fine. He was ignorant. But I still can't stand him, nor can I stand, corbett, fitzsimmons, or jeffries, that's why I'm glad Johnson beat him to a pulp, lol!

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                  • hemichromis
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                    #19
                    racism was rife in those days i dont know if you can blame one man for conforming.

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                    • butterfly1964
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by hemichromis
                      racism was rife in those days i dont know if you can blame one man for conforming.
                      If he had a brain, he would know that it's still wrong.

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