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  • #11
    Originally posted by butterfly1964
    Marciano is the most overrated IMO. The master of boxing is of course Ali.
    geeeee,i would bever have guessed

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    • #12
      Originally posted by leff
      geeeee,i would bever have guessed
      Hey, I'm just speaking my peace.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by butterfly1964
        Hey, I'm just speaking my peace.
        sure, its just that your so predicabil

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        • #14
          Originally posted by leff
          sure, its just that your so predicabil
          Ok, whatever. Are you gonna watch my who's number one thread and top 5 reasons thread?

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          • #15
            i wonder about marciano. i personally like him but do not think he's the most sound fighter, and have always heard people say to me that if he went 49-0 he never fought anybody worth a damn. whats peoples take on sugar ray robinson and leonard?

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            • #16
              Ali is not the answer to the question, he relied on his speed too much. Once he slowed down, he was no longer one of the greatest fighters that ever lived. Too much of his greatness depended on his speed of hand and foot.

              There have been lot of extremely skillful guys who didn't have a lot other than their skill going for them, Joey Maxim being one of them. That guy was not a huge puncher, wasn't quick by any stretch, and wasn't extremely tall or rangy either. He beat guys who were expected to destroy him because he had such great fundamentals and timing.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Left Hook King
                Calzaghe, he's never lost and now everyone thinks he's bad ass. The problem is that he's fought nobodies his whole career, if he fights and beats someone in the top 10, then I'll change my choice.
                no 1 thinks hes bad ass,especially not in america,hes under rated over there

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                • #18
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                  • #19
                    Oscar De La Hoya

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Kid Achilles
                      Ali is not the answer to the question, he relied on his speed too much. Once he slowed down, he was no longer one of the greatest fighters that ever lived. Too much of his greatness depended on his speed of hand and foot.

                      There have been lot of extremely skillful guys who didn't have a lot other than their skill going for them, Joey Maxim being one of them. That guy was not a huge puncher, wasn't quick by any stretch, and wasn't extremely tall or rangy either. He beat guys who were expected to destroy him because he had such great fundamentals and timing.
                      What are you talking about? When Ali lost his speed, that's when he got his biggest victories. He beat Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, Lyle, Quarry, Norton, Bonavena etc. AFTER he had diminished greatly as a fighter. Those tools that he always had, but we never got to see - granite chin, amazing heart and recuperative powers, ring intelligence etc., all came out and got him over the line against some of the best heavyweights that ever lived.

                      Ali was more than speed, that's why he was so great.

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