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I already told you he could have made these fights in France. Stop playing games, it's been documented on here that Johnson was offered $20K to fight Jeannette. You said Johnson received over $1K of the $5K the fight earned overall. Either way, whether it was $1K or $5K, he turned down $20K for Jeannette to fight the guy that Jeannette defeated 2x earlier that same year. How does Johnson go from insisting on nothing less than $30K to accepting < $5K? The same $5K he would have received to defend his title against Langford when he reneged on a contract. You're out of your depth on this topic because your bias won't allow you to admit when you are wrong or that Johnson chose Battling Jim as a cherry pick that had backfired. You'll call Jeannette, Langford, and McVey liars, but Johnson himself was the biggest liar of them all, even lied about taking a dive against Willard and backed out of a contract to give Langford his title shot. -
Johnson wanted $30,not $20 grand when it was offered to him twice he accepted and signed for the fight.Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post
re-reading Pollack's two volumes on Johnson I find I was wrong about the amount he received ,it was about $5000 according to AdamJohnson hadn't fought for some time and was desperate for cash my understanding is he took the fight expecting a bigger return maybe the fact that Langford and Jeannette fought the next day in the same city impacted on the lack of a big gate.I don't know.Maybe Johnson just thought." this guy isn't much I'll take the small purse he's no threat "?
.I've called nobody a liar I just pointed out that Jeannette himself absolved Johnson of any guilt that the two proposed title fights with himself fell through and he made a public statement on it.
I've asked you twice today to produce a quote from McVey in which he blamed Johnson for his not getting a title shot ,you haven't done so ,will you now do it?
Will you also produce offers of $30,000 to defend against ANY of the three that Johnson turned down I don't know how many times I've requested this proof, yet you've responded with NOTHING!
Johnson signed to fight Langford before he won the title from Burns In my view he should have honoured that contract,his argument was, now I'm champ I deserve a bigger purse and made the purse the amount that Burns had gotten to face him.
I've no doubt Johnson preferred to defend against the White Hopes.
1. He got more money for doing so.
2.Promoters had no difficulty filling arenas with patrons hoping to see the title go into white hands.
3.Johnson did not have to be in top shape to beat these challengers and he knew that the Black trio were more dangerous and hence he would need to be in better shape for them.
4. Documented offers of $30,000 for Johnson to defend against the Trio are ZERO
5.He accepted a comparable offer for a two part defence against Langford and McVey the fight was pulled because of public opinion
6. He twice accepted comparable offers to defend against NY favourite Jeannette in NY.The NYAC vetoed the fight.
These are facts, what you offer are only biased opinions fueled by hatred.
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I wanted to put Toney, but fights against Reggie Johnson (which I think he should have lost 114-113 due to knockdown), Tiberi, Jones, Jr., Griffin, Thadzi go against him. I don't rate the Holyfield win that highly and the failed drug test against Ruiz hurts him as well. I like Toney a lot, but he's tough (to rank) I'm not against including him.Originally posted by mrbig1 View Post
Lopez to me is a great talent, but doesn't really have the noteworthy wins. I also think he deserved to lose first Alvarez fight.
Monzon is some one that can be argued to be included (Benvenuti I, Griffith I, Briscoe II, Valdes I & II), but I'm okay with not having him included.
If there's one person that I would include that I previously didn't, it would be Emile Griffith.Last edited by 5G14L90; 06-25-2022, 10:33 PM.Comment
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I wanted to put Toney, but fights against Reggie Johnson (which I think he should have lost 114-113 due to knockdown), Tiberi, Jones, Jr., Griffin, Thadzi go against him. I don't rate the Holyfield win that highly and the failed drug test against Ruiz hurts him as well. I like Toney a lot, but he's tough (to rank) I'm not against including him.
Lopez to me is a great talent, but doesn't really have the noteworthy wins. I also think he deserved to lose first Alvarez fight.
Monzon is some one that can be argued to be included (Benvenuti I, Griffith I, Briscoe II, Valdes I & II), but I'm okay with not having him included.
If there's one person that I would include that I previously didn't, it would be Emile Griffith.[/QUOTE}
- - So you put in Emile over Monzon who BTFO Emile 2x?
Only list Wart belongs on is in Imelda Marcus' shoe collection. He managed to be an even uglier fighter than Toney.
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Monzon was undefeated in 81 straight fights over 13 years. 7 of those years as champion. I would put his resume against anyone on this list. Roy Jones fought a policeman and guy that worked on a trash truck full time. He was fighting part time fighters that should never have gotten a title fight. I've been a boxing fan for 60 years. Nonito Donaire was a very good fighter. But not the best in the last 60 years. I respectfully disagree my brother.Comment
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