Why is Fighting Harada ranked under Eder Jofree?

[Blue54]

Harada beat him twice in his prime at his best weight i get it Jofree has better record. He beat Medal where Harada failed and went on to win the Feather title but at 115 i think he should rank very close 2nd.

[OctoberRed]

Jofree has better record. He beat Medal where Harada failed and went on to win the Feather title.

You outlined what many have said as their reasoning.

[QueensburyRules]

Harada beat him twice in his prime at his best weight i get it Jofree has better record. He beat Medal where Harada failed and went on to win the Feather title but at 115 i think he should rank very close 2nd.

- -2x hometown decisions?

Ali 1-1= Neon Leon?

Think about it.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Did Harada beat Jofre twice!?!?!? I'd love to see those fights. And in Jofre's prime? Even the folks at Boxrec don't seem to be tracking on that. You can make yourself rich and famous if you can provide the evidence.

As for the fights I have seen. Jofre won. They were close. Harada looked legendary. Jofre got beat up. But the hometown crowd scored it for the busier underdog. If you know MMA, that sounds PERFECTLY Japanese. Jofre was past that prime. I get it. But even a prime Jofre would have needed to decapitate Harada to score a draw.

Jofre was past his prime, and dehydrated. Coaching wrestling, I am impressed with how well he did. He didn't fail. Think of it like running a marathon and putting your best time in during that last 6 miles... in an environment you haven't ran in before. Or with a ruck.

Harada should rank higher than he does on most P4P lists. I would say he's a shoe-in for top 25. I'd put him over a lot of fighters w/ longer careers. I am pretty sure I would rank him in the top 10 of fighters who have fought in the generations since. I'd probably put him over a guy like the much overrated Ezzard Charles.

- -2x hometown decisions?

Ali 1-1= Neon Leon?

Think about it.

When you're on, you're on.

[chrisJS]

Why doesn’t Lionel Rose rank higher than Harada? He dominated him in a fashion Harada didn’t come close to over Jofre.

Those fights were razor thin and arguable. The crowd go nuts every time Harada moves his hands and he fought a lot with his head and wrestling. Like I said, very close fights. I personally feel 1-1 is fair and that’s in Japan with Jofre dead at the weight and passed his prime.

Harada got robbed of his flyweight title and deserved the decision against Famechon the first fight but still didn’t have Jofre’s longevity, level of dominance or consistency.

[Ben Bolt]

But in my days, there was only one World Champion in each division [… ] there was only a total of 8 World Champions, and not like now as we have WBC, WBO, IBF, WBF, etc. The World Title then had more value to it.
Hear, hear.

http://home.att.ne.jp/yellow/ali/hara-int.htm

[Blue54]

Did Harada beat Jofre twice!?!?!? I'd love to see those fights. And in Jofre's prime? Even the folks at Boxrec don't seem to be tracking on that. You can make yourself rich and famous if you can provide the evidence.

As for the fights I have seen. Jofre won. They were close. Harada looked legendary. Jofre got beat up. But the hometown crowd scored it for the busier underdog. If you know MMA, that sounds PERFECTLY Japanese. Jofre was past that prime. I get it. But even a prime Jofre would have needed to decapitate Harada to score a draw.

Jofre was past his prime, and dehydrated. Coaching wrestling, I am impressed with how well he did. He didn't fail. Think of it like running a marathon and putting your best time in during that last 6 miles... in an environment you haven't ran in before. Or with a ruck.

Harada should rank higher than he does on most P4P lists. I would say he's a shoe-in for top 25. I'd put him over a lot of fighters w/ longer careers. I am pretty sure I would rank him in the top 10 of fighters who have fought in the generations since. I'd probably put him over a guy like the much overrated Ezzard Charles.



When you're on, you're on.

Lol Ezzard Charles beat Wallcott 2×, Maxmuim 5×, Burley 2×, Moore 3×, Loyld Marshall 2×, Jimmy Bivins2× past prime Louis

Harada def ranks top 50 or so in my book but no way does he top 20 or 30 guys like Charles earned that.

[OctoberRed]

But in my days, there was only one World Champion in each division [… ] there was only a total of 8 World Champions, and not like now as we have WBC, WBO, IBF, WBF, etc. The World Title then had more value to it.
Hear, hear.

http://home.att.ne.jp/yellow/ali/hara-int.htm

Yes sir!

[QueensburyRules]

But in my days, there was only one World Champion in each division [… ] there was only a total of 8 World Champions, and not like now as we have WBC, WBO, IBF, WBF, etc. The World Title then had more value to it.
Hear, hear.

http://home.att.ne.jp/yellow/ali/hara-int.htm

- -Nice Dewey eyed sentiment, but Harada fought thru Ali's first career.

Ali was stripped of WBA as soon as he signed the Liston rematch that turned out to be the sham it was predicted to be.

Ernie Terrell picked up the WBA to defend until Ali dethroned him and then Ali was stripped.

Joe Frazier picked up the New York belt and Jimmy Ellis the WBA and eventually whooped Ellis to become unified.

And that just the heavy division in that era.

Also the 140lb title been around since at lest the 1930s and the 130 title somewhere around then.

That's just my offhand recollection.

[Ben Bolt]

- -Nice Dewey eyed sentiment, but Harada fought thru Ali's first career.

Ali was stripped of WBA as soon as he signed the Liston rematch that turned out to be the sham it was predicted to be.

Ernie Terrell picked up the WBA to defend until Ali dethroned him and then Ali was stripped.

Joe Frazier picked up the New York belt and Jimmy Ellis the WBA and eventually whooped Ellis to become unified.

And that just the heavy division in that era.

Also the 140lb title been around since at lest the 1930s and the 130 title somewhere around then.

That's just my offhand recollection.

Yes, but at the time the WBA or WBC were as powerful as IBO is today, i.e. nobody cared when they appointed their own ‘champions’. Most titles were lineal back then, and there was little or no argument about who the real world champion in each weight class was.