Could 1971 Frazier have beaten Foreman ?

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  • Dempsey19
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    Could 1971 Frazier have beaten Foreman ?

    I recently read an interview in which Foreman said that if it had been the 1971 version of Frazier in the ring with him in Kingston then Frazier would have beaten him.

    Was Foreman just being humble as always or could 1971 Frazier have actually beaten him ?
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    I almost think Foreman had his number and it was more of good big man beating a good little man.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Dempsey19
      I recently read an interview in which Foreman said that if it had been the 1971 version of Frazier in the ring with him in Kingston then Frazier would have beaten him.

      Was Foreman just being humble as always or could 1971 Frazier have actually beaten him ?
      - -Foreman like Louis and Dempsey before him, always paid homage to his elders and later the new kids on the block.

      Rocky too!

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        #4
        Originally posted by Dempsey19
        Was Foreman just being humble as always or could 1971 Frazier have actually beaten him ?
        Probably and perhaps.
        It's interesting to read that Foreman was scared stiff before entering the ring to the 1st Frazier fight.

        You can't handle your fears every night, so for him it was a good thing overcoming them, and not just freeze, that particular night in Kingston.

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          Originally posted by Longhaul
          I almost think Foreman had his number and it was more of good big man beating a good little man.
          Funnily enough if you look at the tale of the tape measurements then apart from height and reach Frazier was bigger in almost every measurement.

          They were about the same weight too.

          I’ve always seen both Frazier and Tyson as big men despite their relatively short heights rather than small men. Compact heavyweight is perhaps a more accurate description.

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            Originally posted by Dempsey19
            Funnily enough if you look at the tale of the tape measurements then apart from height and reach Frazier was bigger in almost every measurement.

            They were about the same weight too.

            I’ve always seen both Frazier and Tyson as big men despite their relatively short heights rather than small men. Compact heavyweight is perhaps a more accurate description.
            George was very strong and would use his strength to put people in punching range .He had Frazier by four inches in height and maybe six inches in reach and was much stronger than joe.I think it was a bad match up for joe just like it was for Tyson.

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              Originally posted by Longhaul
              George was very strong and would use his strength to put people in punching range .He had Frazier by four inches in height and maybe six inches in reach and was much stronger than joe.I think it was a bad match up for joe just like it was for Tyson.
              5 inches of reach I think.

              I’m not denying he was stronger, but Frazier had a bigger chest, larger hands, equally sized biceps, bigger wrists, bigger thighs, ankles, bigger neck, etc.

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                Originally posted by Dempsey19
                5 inches of reach I think.

                I’m not denying he was stronger, but Frazier had a bigger chest, larger hands, equally sized biceps, bigger wrists, bigger thighs, ankles, bigger neck, etc.
                - -TOT just a promo gimmick back in the day.

                There are no standards or regulations and the ring docs doing the measurements are the last docs stand anyone would want for a medical evaluation.

                IE: Quacks!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dempsey19
                  5 inches of reach I think.

                  I’m not denying he was stronger, but Frazier had a bigger chest, larger hands, equally sized biceps, bigger wrists, bigger thighs, ankles, bigger neck, etc.
                  You get caught up to much on measurements which were fudged on most of the time.If measurements were a sign of how good a fighter was tony tubs would be undefeated.His breasts as beautiful as they were would give him good numbers as well as the fat on his arms.

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                    It's an atrocious style match up. It doesn't matter what version of Fraizer bobs into uppercuts.

                    Foreman is exceptionally humble, according to George, he loses every fight he could ever have been in.

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