Most Overrated Fighters of All-Time

[Rusty Tromboni]

The two draws with Kovalev do not hurt Ward's legacy too badly, by gravy.

Kovalev had clearly gone off the tracks by the second fight. I am sure Ward took the first fight upon hearing rumors of Kovalev's decline.

But he clearly need a win above SMw to secure his legacy. He never got it. Kovalev was the better, albeit bigger, fighter.

[QueensburyRules]

Anthony Joshua has to make the list now.

- -No heavy with 22 pro bouts ever accomplished as much as AJ, so yeah, he can retire tomorrow secure in knowing he'll hold that record beyond his lifetime.

[ShoulderRoll]

- -No heavy with 22 pro bouts ever accomplished as much as AJ, so yeah, he can retire tomorrow secure in knowing he'll hold that record beyond his lifetime.

What record exactly?

[The Old LefHook]

I don' know what record Queensbree is talking about either. I have been saying all along that Joshua was massively overrated, while punch drunk ogres like Tyson and Holyfield bragged him up as the next great heavyweight and limeys lapped up their words as if they were Tolstoy and Dostoevsky, by honky.

[QueensburyRules]

What record exactly?

- -Gotta go to the turn from the 19th to 20th century to find a heavy with fewer wins when he won the title than AJ.

JJ Corbett 8-0-2 with 2 successful title defenses

JJ Jeffries 10-0-2 with 6 defenses

21st century
AJ 15-0 with 6 defenses

[ShoulderRoll]

- -Gotta go to the turn from the 19th to 20th century to find a heavy with fewer wins when he won the title than AJ.

JJ Corbett 8-0-2 with 2 successful title defenses

JJ Jeffries 10-0-2 with 6 defenses

21st century
AJ 15-0 with 6 defenses

I see.

So he doesn't actually hold any record. He's just 3rd on the list.

The guy looked terrible on Saturday. Didn't seem to know how to respond to combinations of more than 2 or 3 punches.

Claressa Shields astutely pointed out that he was doing a lot of circling towards Andy Ruiz' power hand. And when he circled the other way he did so while keeping his left hand low.

This is precisely why people shouldn't be too quick to proclaim a fighter's greatness. Let him prove it first over time.

[QueensburyRules]

I see.

So he doesn't actually hold any record. He's just 3rd on the list.

The guy looked terrible on Saturday. Didn't seem to know how to respond to combinations of more than 2 or 3 punches.

Claressa Shields astutely pointed out that he was doing a lot of circling towards Andy Ruiz' power hand. And when he circled the other way he did so while keeping his left hand low.

This is precisely why people shouldn't be too quick to proclaim a fighter's greatness. Let him prove it first over time.

- -21st century son. 19, 20, and 21 were the exact order I quoted them son.

That you rely on what a two bit thug says pretty much explains your obtuseness.

Facts is facts and Jack ain't Jill until the 21st century.

[Luccio]

I am sure this has been done before. But I haven't seen any recent threads on the topic.

I'll start with some of mine:

Muhammad Ali: I'm actually pretty compassionate of the Heavyweights. You can't expect a Lineman to perform ballet or gymnastics. Same, Heavyweights will have challenges fighters in lower divisions don't fact. Still, I feel Ali is greatly overrated. Both as a Heavyweight, and P4P.

Sam Langford: On film I don't see the much to be impressed by. Yes, he's one of the best to ever do it, but he's not P4P top 10. Probably his space in the top 25 isn't guaranteed. Very good for his era, but even then it looks like Packey McFarland and Gibbons were truly the best P4P. Sam Langford's KO power made him the best finisher, and his story make him the most memorable. But many fans might over-rank him in compensation for how his was mistreated during his career and largely forgotten until the internet resurrected his legacy.

Henry Armstrong: People rank this guy #1 P4P because he won the belt in 3 weight divisions, but he probably never was the best Featherweight or Welterweight. That might be going too far, but really he should be seen as a Lightweight. Many of his Ww title fights were fought closer to the Lw limit, and much of his championship competition was forgettable (to say the least). He did have a great record - but others had better. He does look good on film - but other Lightweights arguably look better. He's definitely top 10. But people get carried away w/ the 3 Championships at once.

Ezzard Charles: I have always heard great things about Charles. His record looks solid. And probably the best of him is not on film. But what we do have on film, I wouldn't pick him to beat other Light heavyweights... not definitively. Tunney definitely looks better. Patterson, Conn and Spinks are as good, or slight favorites. People hate on Dempsey, but he was fairly close to Charles in size, and he looks more naturally gifted.

obvious troll is obvious 😂

[ShoulderRoll]

- -21st century son. 19, 20, and 21 were the exact order I quoted them son.

That you rely on what a two bit thug says pretty much explains your obtuseness.

Facts is facts and Jack ain't Jill until the 21st century.

Two bit thug? She's a two-time Olympic gold medalist and the unified, undisputed middleweight champion of the world.

Her analysis was spot on and she has a good technical eye. I didn't notice it myself upon first viewing, only after she commented on it and I went back for a second look.

[QueensburyRules]

Two bit thug? She's a two-time Olympic gold medalist and the unified, undisputed middleweight champion of the world.

Her analysis was spot on and she has a good technical eye. I didn't notice it myself upon first viewing, only after she commented on it and I went back for a second look.

- -Ok then. You smitten with a two bit thug.

Me not. Different strokes and all that.