Change in Tyson's body post-prison

[GhostofDempsey]

Tyson's downfall was not physical, it was mental/emotional.

[BKM-]

I have a question, how does roids help someone who doesn't lift weights? If you are saying Mike Tyson used steroids?

You're asking the completely wrong questions. What do roids do for fighters? They're meant to speed up recovery so they can train more often and more intensely, first and foremost, and they obviously help your endurance, athleticsm, strength etc. as well. They're not meant to make them more muscular unless we're looking at idiots like Frank Bruno.

The question you should be asking yourself is if Tyson famously never lifted weights in the 80s yet he was far more muscular and low BF%(as well as low IQ but that's another matter) with a cardio based lifestyle, than bodybuilders who dedicate their entire lives to gaining muscles and nothing else. How does that happen? Obvious answer, inconvenient truth for fans.

Aside from the eye-test and using your own brains, Tyson himself admitted to using a fake ***** to pass his drug tests during his career.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Tyson was always a beast and muscular but there was a noticeable change in Tyson's body composition post-prison.

He came out not only heavier and more muscular but at a lower body-fat % he was bigger but also more cut.

Tyson '89:



Tyson '95:



Was there ever discussion as to what this change reflected or was it a pro or con in any way?

Just before Jail? His body was changing, go a look back at the Razor Ruddock Fights.

Also people need to realize? Mike Tyson was probably still maturing, even when he beat Trevor Berbick. 'He kind of resembled a baby bear during the 80's, then in the 90's? He started to hardened up just before Jail'

When he very first came out of Jail he was actually close to 200 pounds flat, he may have even been 190+ pounds. This may have been due to him only eating Tuna, for long periods of time in jail because? He was conscious of people handling his food.

Mike Tyson was in immense condition when he came out of jail, it was just that? Technically he was basically fighting off instincts, as none of his trainers could really duplicate Kevin Rooney 'It was still impressive the way Mike Tyson still had all that knowledge within his mind, technically? When you analyzing his punching technique, at any stage in his career 'Mike Tyson always had great technique, with hooks, body shots, straight punches the list goes on'. even when he was out of condition, which compared to most heavyweights today? He was still in great condition.

The punch which knocked out Franics Botha, that is what you call offensive creativity? Deontay Wilder or any of the so called big heavyweight punchers today do not possess that kind of destructive multi dimensional ability 'That one punch was a flash of Iron Mike Tyson'.

Note: Mike Tyson work ethic when he wanted to train was one of his greatest assets, yes he would go missing in between fights but? Evander Holyfield even stated that Mike Tyson was one of the very few boxers who could actually out train him. 'Was never really a lazy fighter in my opinion even when the original team Tyson crumbled' His problem was not really finding a good trainer, or team to surround himself with.

Mike Tyson for 95% of his career weighed between 215-228 'It was only right at the end of his career did he start coming in over 230 pounds' one time against Brain Nelson he was in a bad way, and of course his medication messed him up for the Lennox Lewis fight 'Mike Tyson should of never taken his medication, because that destroyed him physically in my opinion' he even spoke of the effects close to the Lennox Lewis fight.

[QueensburyRules]

The question you should be asking yourself is if Tyson famously never lifted weights in the 80s yet he was far more muscular and low BF%(as well as low IQ but that's another matter) with a cardio based lifestyle, than bodybuilders who dedicate their entire lives to gaining muscles and nothing else. How does that happen? Obvious answer, inconvenient truth for fans.

Aside from the eye-test and using your own brains, Tyson himself admitted to using a fake ***** to pass his drug tests during his career.

- -Must not have been around in those early drug testing days when there was no formal protocol and the tests more oriented towards punishment of illegal recreational drug use than PEDs.

Known plenty of guys ripped and cut naturally before PEDs became endemic.

Half the PED problem is the weak sisters of the Y Male chromosome who are always gonna look like Walter Mitty absent any PED use.

Time to admit you live in a sick culture of not only drugs, but near excess of every fad that ever caught fire.

Few of you could could pass a VADA test nor would you want to be hounded 24/7/365 for urine and blood samples for years on end.

Nor could most of your politicians, business leaders, and news media.

But no doubt you could accuse a 4 Ton block of granite of being a PED user. It's what you do!

[PRINCEKOOL]

- -Must not have been around in those early drug testing days when there was no formal protocol and the tests more oriented towards punishment of illegal recreational drug use than PEDs.

Known plenty of guys ripped and cut naturally before PEDs became endemic.

Half the PED problem is the weak sisters of the Y Male chromosome who are always gonna look like Walter Mitty absent any PED use.

Time to admit you live in a sick culture of not only drugs, but near excess of every fad that ever caught fire.

Few of you could could pass a VADA test nor would you want to be hounded 24/7/365 for urine and blood samples for years on end.

Nor could most of your politicians, business leaders, and news media.

But no doubt you could accuse a 4 Ton block of granite of being a PED user. It's what you do!

I agree, most of the people who accuse everybody else of using steroids are ether envious or using drugs themselves. 'They all probably have bought into the hype of the supplement industry also, which is a unregulated industry' most regular gym goers would probably fail drug tests due to them having no idea what they are taking.

In my first post in this thread, I have basically explained why Mike Tyson's body shaped changed and? I have even statistically outlined his weights for 95% of his career he was weighing in-between 215-228 pounds' but of course only near the end did he weigh in over 230 afew times, sometimes due to being out of conditions but also? Because he started weight training, which in my opinion made him visible stiffer. Also his medication had physiological side effects upon his condition.

I have even spoken about his lifestyle in jail, many years ago I saw plenty of interviews on Max Boxing where he reluctantly spoke about his lifestyle in jail. 'After sometime in there? All he did was train' Can you guys remember when Mayweather came out of jail in great condition?

Habitual steroid abusers have a certain look, you only have to look at the WWF wrestlers from the 90's. Mike Tyson resembled a baby bear in the 80's, and started to slightly harden up in the early 90's which may have been his physically most dangerous time 'But unfortunately he went into jail'.

Also in life people do overlook work ethic, Mike Tyson for all of his flaws was gifted in terms of work ethic when he REALLY had to train from a physical perspective. Even just before the Lennox Lewis fight, while taking his inappropriate medication? Somehow he got himself in half decent condition, better than 95% of the heavyweights in the game today.

[BKM-]

I agree, most of the people who accuse everybody else of using steroids are ether envious or using drugs themselves. 'They all probably have bought into the hype of the supplement industry also, which is a unregulated industry' most regular gym goers would probably fail drug tests due to them having no idea what they are taking.

In my first post in this thread, I have basically explained why Mike Tyson's body shaped changed and? I have even statistically outlined his weights for 95% of his career he was weighing in-between 215-228 pounds' but of course only near the end did he weigh in over 230 afew times, sometimes due to being out of conditions but also? Because he started weight training, which in my opinion made him visible stiffer. Also his medication had physiological side effects upon his condition.

I have even spoken about his lifestyle in jail, many years ago I saw plenty of interviews on Max Boxing where he reluctantly spoke about his lifestyle in jail. 'After sometime in there? All he did was train' Can you guys remember when Mayweather came out of jail in great condition?

Habitual steroid abusers have a certain look, you only have to look at the WWF wrestlers from the 90's. Mike Tyson resembled a baby bear in the 80's, and started to slightly harden up in the early 90's which may have been his physically most dangerous time 'But unfortunately he went into jail'.

Also in life people do overlook work ethic, Mike Tyson for all of his flaws was gifted in terms of work ethic when he REALLY had to train from a physical perspective. Even just before the Lennox Lewis fight, while taking his inappropriate medication? Somehow he got himself in half decent condition, better than 95% of the heavyweights in the game today.

Your whole argument is based on Tyson's weight, really? Which you should know, Tyson's muscle to bodyfat ratio at his height/weight for a natural man is impossible to achieve without PED's.

Especially when you don't lift any weights, do a mass amount of cardio based training burning all those calories without eating all that much, and can miraculously recover from brutal training inhumanly quickly.

Every single argument you can go through, he fails miserably in any sort of defense. I mean I can go on, Tyson comes from a family of fatties yet he's a shredded hulkster of 100 kilo's at only 5'10.

There was no drug testing for it, he was free to use whatever he wanted and PED's were everywhere in sports in the 80s. Even in the drug tests in the 90s they were announced beforehand so he could cycle off and pass the tests.

He displays all the classic signs too: overdeveloped traps and capped deltoids, overdeveloped upperchest.

Horrible skin, huge neanderthal skull shape. Classic HGH growth pattern. Tyson did not look like a normal human because he was fed HGH since his early teens, . That's why he looked 30 as a teen. He mentioned HGH in an interview once btw, he was asked what he would use in his prime "if"(lol) he could have used something. Mike knows all about GH.

[BKM-]

- -Must not have been around in those early drug testing days when there was no formal protocol and the tests more oriented towards punishment of illegal recreational drug use than PEDs.

Known plenty of guys ripped and cut naturally before PEDs became endemic.

Half the PED problem is the weak sisters of the Y Male chromosome who are always gonna look like Walter Mitty absent any PED use.

Time to admit you live in a sick culture of not only drugs, but near excess of every fad that ever caught fire.

Few of you could could pass a VADA test nor would you want to be hounded 24/7/365 for urine and blood samples for years on end.

Nor could most of your politicians, business leaders, and news media.

But no doubt you could accuse a 4 Ton block of granite of being a PED user. It's what you do!

Would you suck Tyson's fake plastic penis that he used to pass his drug tests? For you it would be the next best thing to the real thing, right. Plus it's not real so maybe it wouldn't be fruity in your mind, pal.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Your whole argument is based on Tyson's weight, really? Which you should know, Tyson's muscle to bodyfat ratio at his height/weight for a natural man is impossible to achieve without PED's.

Especially when you don't lift any weights, do a mass amount of cardio based training burning all those calories without eating all that much, and can miraculously recover from brutal training inhumanly quickly.

Every single argument you can go through, he fails miserably in any sort of defense. I mean I can go on, Tyson comes from a family of fatties yet he's a shredded hulkster of 100 kilo's at only 5'10.

There was no drug testing for it, he was free to use whatever he wanted and PED's were everywhere in sports in the 80s. Even in the drug tests in the 90s they were announced beforehand so he could cycle off and pass the tests.

He displays all the classic signs too: overdeveloped traps and capped deltoids, overdeveloped upperchest.

Horrible skin, huge neanderthal skull shape. Classic HGH growth pattern. Tyson did not look like a normal human because he was fed HGH since his early teens, . That's why he looked 30 as a teen. He mentioned HGH in an interview once btw, he was asked what he would use in his prime "if"(lol) he could have used something. Mike knows all about GH.

So team Tyson and Cus-Damato had Mike Tyson a testosterone and Growth Hormone regime since he was 13 years of age? 'Listen you are chatting complete and utter nonsense'.

You need too just appreciate talented athletes, not every athlete in history who does not look like Tyson Fury is on steroid's. Mike Tyson was gifted in terms of physicality and also his work ethic when he needed to train.

There is a cultural paranoia within boxing circles, if a fighters comes into the ring in half decent condition. Only fighters like Tyson Fury seem to be clean, even though he has from my knowledge failed a drug test.

[BKM-]

So team Tyson and Cus-Damato had Mike Tyson a testosterone and Growth Hormone regime since he was 13 years of age? 'Listen you are chatting complete and utter nonsense'.

You need too just appreciate talented athletes, not every athlete in history who does not look like Tyson Fury is on steroid's. Mike Tyson was gifted in terms of physicality and also his work ethic when he needed to train.

There is a cultural paranoia within boxing circles, if a fighters comes into the ring in half decent condition. Only fighters like Tyson Fury seem to be clean, even though he has from my knowledge failed a drug test.

Yes Tyson was very gifted physically. He also took a ton of drugs to get better, just like all of his opponents. Being gifted and still taking PED are not mutually exclusive, every anti-PED crusader like you makes this same mistake.

Do you care to respond to the many factual points I made earlier? I know I've gotta be getting through to you, you can pretend like you didn't hear what I said but I know it's causing cracks in your everlasting belief that Tyson HAD to be a natural athlete.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Yes Tyson was very gifted physically. He also took a ton of drugs to get better, just like all of his opponents. Being gifted and still taking PED are not mutually exclusive, every anti-PED crusader like you makes this same mistake.

Do you care to respond to the many factual points I made earlier? I know I've gotta be getting through to you, you can pretend like you didn't hear what I said but I know it's causing cracks in your everlasting belief that Tyson HAD to be a natural athlete.

You have made no real factual points.

My first post in this thread, basically ended the nonsense in this thread.

Mike Tyson was the first boxer to ask for Olympic styled drug testing, for his rematch up against Evander Holyfield.