Who Could Roy Jones Not Have Beaten?

[BattlingNelson]

Holy mother of mercy! With Queeny you think it bacwards: Kessler was a p4p BECAUSE he fought the great anglo talent known as Joseph Calzighe. It would break Queenbee's heart to know that Joe has as much Italian in him!

P4p ranked because he travelled the globe to outclass Mundine despite injured, unifying via brutal ko over Beyer (rip) and totally dominating Andrade. The run Kessler had pre Calzaghe was outstanding.

[ShoulderRoll]

P4p ranked because he travelled the globe to outclass Mundine despite injured, unifying via brutal ko over Beyer (rip) and totally dominating Andrade. The run Kessler had pre Calzaghe was outstanding.

Mundine AND Beyer? You're right, that's a real murderer's row there.

[BattlingNelson]

Mundine AND Beyer? You're right, that's a real murderer's row there.

Enough to get him p4p ranked.

[robertzimmerman]

It’s kind of funny that you criticize Calzaghe for not taking matters in his own hands and fight better opposition, while you give jones a pass for not fighting dangerous opponents because of ‘circumstances’ and ‘context’. Why the double standard?

There are no double standards at all.

Roy missed out on certain guys, but then he chose other guys who were available, and he moved through the weights to fight them.

What did Joe do?

He stayed in a dead division for 14 years, where he had to kill himself to make weight, to fight mainly C class opposition for a lightly regarded organisation. And we know that he was more than happy to do that. And that was his prerogative. But any implication made by anyone that he didn't want to do that and that he was starved of fighting better opposition, is completely deluding themselves.

The sole reason why he didn't gain his due respect and recognition before he demolished Lacy, was because he was happy with Frank W and the opponents that he was being provided with. He was happy to fight a guy like Mario Veit again, despite the fact that he'd already beaten him in a round a few years earlier. He was also happy fighting guys like Mandredo.

[robertzimmerman]

- -Zimmy, ok you was still in diapers, we got it. Veit was a good Huge fighter undeafeted when Joe got to him.

Joe also faced Brit legend Eubank, undefeated US KO phenom Lacy, and undefeated p4p Kessler.

Shame he never lost since you coulda had a field day with that...NOT!!!

Veit was a good, huge fighter?

Ha!

Sure.

I know who Joe fought. I was there.

Eubank and Kessler were very good fighters, although Eubank was faded and had horrible prep for that fight. But that's not the point I was making.

We all know that Joe was an elite fighter. The point I'm making, is that he was not starved of fighting better opponents earlier in his career. The reason why he didn't fight better opposition, is because he was more than happy with Frank W and his WBO opposition.

Nobody made him stay with Frank for 14 years.

Nobody made him defend his lightly regarded WBO belt 21 times.

It was his choice.

Any talk of him being held back in any way is absolute nonsense.

[robertzimmerman]

That's fair the first time. We see it happen all the time in MMA. Look at iron-jawed dudes like Dillashaw and Whitaker when they cut too much weight. You can argue that other variables must be considered, and I'd agree. But excessive dehyration and muscle loss will make even the most physically gifted and durable men fragile.


Still, it's Roy's fault for making the agreement. It's his fault for settling on the ropes. And it's his fault for never rebounding.

It's excessive and unfair to say Roy was exposed. But that's about 75% of what happened.

What do you mean he was exposed?

[robertzimmerman]

P4p ranked because he travelled the globe to outclass Mundine despite injured, unifying via brutal ko over Beyer (rip) and totally dominating Andrade. The run Kessler had pre Calzaghe was outstanding.

I wouldn't say that beating Mundine, Beyer and Andrade was outstanding.

[Rusty Tromboni]

What do you mean he was exposed?

Oh, I dunno... something about the years of taking on ridiculously out-matched opponents while relying on modern science rather than natural talent and developed technique.

[sentax]

Roy Jones Jr vs Rocky Marciano in a fight?

Jones could be at either his HW or LHW vs Rocky. How does this fight go?

[robertzimmerman]

Oh, I dunno... something about the years of taking on ridiculously out-matched opponents while relying on modern science rather than natural talent and developed technique.

So he was exposed after he stopped taking PEDS and he stepped up his competition?