Obscure ref re 19th century boxing -please help!

[QueensburyRules]

I don't know, why I have to "admit" that Fraser knew about Griffo. If he knew boxing history he probably did.

What we're talking about, is whether or not Fraser used him as Bismarck's "opponent" in "Royal Flash" - which he didn't. He used John Gully, who was around in the 1840s, at the same time as Bismarck. Griffo wasn't born until 1869.

- -Only thing you have to admit is that Fraser may well have known about Griffo as we do.

Huge fan of Joe Louis ect, but I didn't use them in my novella.

It ain't rocket science or brain surgery to figure this out!

[Bundana]

What on earth are you on about??

You said that Fraser was likely referring to Young Griffo in "Royal Flash" - which he didn't.

And now you want me to "admit", that Fraser knew about Griffo - which I'm sure he did!

What exactly are you arguing about?

[QueensburyRules]

What on earth are you on about??

You said that Fraser was likely referring to Young Griffo in "Royal Flash" - which he didn't.

And now you want me to "admit", that Fraser knew about Griffo - which I'm sure he did!

What exactly are you arguing about?

- -That you know who Fraser is referring to.

Not gonna read the thing, and thus far no indication of what historical figure he's referring to.

Maybe he met me!

[Bundana]

The Bismarck "fight" is described at great length and in great detail in the 2nd chapter of the book... with John Gully being the old boxer who administered the humiliation.

Here's an excellent reading of that chapter by Timothy West (the "action" begins at around 17 min. in):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q5SIEMxNGo

[QueensburyRules]

The Bismarck "fight" is described at great length and in great detail in the 2nd chapter of the book... with John Gully being the old boxer who administered the humiliation.

Here's an excellent reading of that chapter by Timothy West (the "action" begins at around 17 min. in):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q5SIEMxNGo

- -You initially stated Fraser was just a Gully Fan while getting sniffy about what is proper British.

The OP asked a question about the book he presumably read, and now you are claiming the culprit is indeed Gully!

Ain't listening to 40 min of 19th Century blather, so I'll take your word and ask why the OP asked the ? If it was Gully?

All I did is provide the most notorious 19th century Brit linked fighter with that style...end of!

[Bundana]

My crime seems to be, that I pointed out, that the culprit was Gully and not Griffo… who of course is an excellent guess, since he had a reputation of being almost impossible to hit. But it simply wasn't him.

I think, I've tried to explain this in a matter-of-factly way, without any snide remarks - so I don't get, why this pisses you off as much as it obviously does.

[QueensburyRules]

My crime seems to be, that I pointed out, that the culprit was Gully and not Griffo… who of course is an excellent guess, since he had a reputation of being almost impossible to hit. But it simply wasn't him.

I think, I've tried to explain this in a matter-of-factly way, without any snide remarks - so I don't get, why this pisses you off as much as it obviously does.

- -Does snide standoff sniffy?

If you say Gully is mentioned as the novels culprit, I'll take your word for it, however...

Gully was a game, tough brawler never noted for a feather of defensive prowess who almost died in one of his fights.

I surmise that Fraser imbued the face first brawler Gully with the boxing characteristics of Griffey who maintains a reputation of defensive prowess to this day.

It's FICTION!!!

Not fact!

[Bundana]

This is not an "opinion" thread. It's not about whether Gully was as defensively brilliant as Griffo (which he of course wasn't), or whether you think the Aussie would have been a better pick as Bismarck's adversary.

The question is a factual one: Who did Mr. Fraser chose in his novel to teach Bismarck a lesson? And he chose Gully.

That is not fiction - but a FACT!