Is Dempsey Overrated? Is his ATG status questionable

[gurhar123]

Evidence against Dempsey's ATG status:

Dempsey gained the title by beating Jess Willard, who was inactive for roughly three years prior to their bout. It was also reported by Jack Kearns that Dempsey's hand wraps were "loaded" with plaster of paris.

Dempsey's best wins are against Firpo, Gibbons and Carpentier.

Firpo was on a good win streak, but not ATG.

Gibbons wasnt rated.

Carpentier was excellent, and the European HW champ, but was a small HW, more suited for LHW.

After loosing the title to the LHW Tunney, Dempsey won against Sharkey with what might be fair to consider a cheep shot.

In summation: Dempsey's resume doesnt really match up with other ATG resume's.

Evidence for Dempsey's ATG status:

The Tunney bouts were past his prime.

The long count.

Respectably long title reign.

Kearns' claims about loaded wraps might amount to no more than sour g****s.

Obvious power, skills, ferocity, etc. displayed in footage of his fights.

What he meant for boxing, in terms of him popularizing the sport.

In summation:There are other considerations that work in Dempsey's favor for securing his ATG status.

So, Where do you all rank him as an ATG, and why (or why not)?

[GhostofDempsey]

Oh, look who created another alt, LMAO!

[HOUDINI563]

Incredible. So ******. So meaningless.

Dempsey is an ATG hwt champion and this was determined 90 plus years ago via EXPERTS OF HIS TIME. This cannot be altered. Such greats as Langford, Fleischer, Arcel, Bimstein, Stillman, Schmeling. The list is endless touted Dempsey as one of boxing’s all time talents. VERY VERY FEW hwt champions and none who are around today come close to the skill level and more importantly ATG characteristics exhibited by Dempsey.

[HOUDINI563]

Dempsey is firmly in my top ten:

Ali
Louis
Holmes
Lewis
Foreman
Johnson
Tyson
Dempsey
Tunney
Marciano

[travestyny]

Jack Kearns that Dempsey's hand wraps were "loaded" with plaster of paris.

Pretty sure the plaster of paris story was debunked. The man who wrapped his hands, however, did admit to using bicycle tape to cut Willard's face to shreds.

[travestyny]

By the way, I think you really hurt GhostofDempsey's feelings

[gurhar123]

Oh, look who created another alt, LMAO!

Incredible. So ******. So meaningless.

Dempsey is an ATG hwt champion and this was determined 90 plus years ago via EXPERTS OF HIS TIME. This cannot be altered. Such greats as Langford, Fleischer, Arcel, Bimstein, Stillman, Schmeling. The list is endless touted Dempsey as one of boxing’s all time talents. VERY VERY FEW hwt champions and none who are around today come close to the skill level and more importantly ATG characteristics exhibited by Dempsey.

Im not making an argument against his ATG status. Im just considering the argument against his ATG status. If it doesnt work as an argument against his ATG status, then what are the implications? Do the points considered against him knock him down out of a top five HW champs list for example?

[HOUDINI563]

Again he was determined already to be one of the best of the best like 90 years ago by experts of his time. This cannot be changed. Dempsey was one of the most highly skilled hwts who ever lived.

[The Old LefHook]

Dempsey was one of the toughest men to ever shít through a meat ăsshole, son.

[Bundana]

ATG status has as much to do with what an athlete brings to the sport, as it has to do with actual ability. And there's no getting around the fact, that Dempsey is one of the most iconic boxers ever... like Sullivan before him and Louis after him.

So, yes... Dempsey is definitely/undeniably an ATG!


Whether he's one of the BEST fighters ever, is an entirely different discussion.