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    I read in Bert Sugars book 'The 100 greatest fighters ever' that Sonny Listons fists were bigger than Carnera's and Willard's.Holy ****!I knew he had huge hands,but damn!Combine that with his unnatural reach,and this man was a machine.Anyways,im sure a lot of you already knew this.Just thought I would throw it out there.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Mass Pride
    I read in Bert Sugars book 'The 100 greatest fighters ever' that Sonny Listons fists were bigger than Carnera's and Willard's.Holy ****!I knew he had huge hands,but damn!Combine that with his unnatural reach,and this man was a machine.Anyways,im sure a lot of you already knew this.Just thought I would throw it out there.
    Liston's fists were measured at 15 inches. That measurement is across the knuckles and palm (held in place by the fingers making the fist. It is said an ordinary man's fist is about 7-8 inches which I think is a bit low.

    Ali, Holmes, Norton and Frazier have had their fists were measured anywhere between 12 1/2 to 13 1/2 inches.
    Last edited by SABBATH; 06-28-2006, 10:15 AM.

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    • #3
      Cool!Thanks for the extra info!

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by SABBATH
        Liston's fists were measured at 15 inches. That measurement is across the knuckles and palm (held in place by the fingers making the fist. It is said an ordinary man's fist is about 7-8 inches which I think is a bit low.

        Ali, Holmes, Norton and Frazier have had their fists were measured anywhere between 12 1/2 to 13 1/2 inches.
        id have hated to have been on the end of listons jab!

        Comment


        • #5
          I wonder how big Marciano's fists were?

          Comment


          • #6
            Marciano's were 11 1/2.

            The Heavyweight Champions of the World
            Tale Of
            The Tape
            John L.
            Sullivan
            James J.
            Corbett
            Bob
            Fitzsimmons
            Jim
            Jeffries
            Height
            Weight
            Reach
            Chest/Norm.
            Chest/Exp.
            Waist
            Biceps
            Neck
            Wrist
            Calf
            Ankle
            Thigh
            Fist
            Forearm

            5-10½
            196
            74
            43
            48
            36
            16¼
            18
            8
            16
            9
            24
            14
            13
            6-1
            178
            73
            38
            42
            33
            14½
            17

            14½

            21
            12¾
            11½
            71¾
            167
            71¾
            41
            44
            32
            12
            15

            13½

            21
            12½
            11½
            6-2½
            206
            76½
            43
            48½
            35
            16
            18¼

            17
            10
            25
            13½
            13½
            Tale Of
            The Tape
            Marvin
            Hart
            Tommy
            Burns
            Jack
            Johnson
            Jess
            Willard
            Height
            Weight
            Reach
            Chest/Norm.
            Chest/Exp.
            Waist
            Biceps
            Neck
            Wrist
            Calf
            Ankle
            Thigh
            Fist
            Forearm

            5-11½
            195
            74
            45
            47½
            35
            15½
            18¼
            8
            17¼
            9
            25
            14
            14
            5-7
            180
            74½
            40
            43¾
            33
            14½
            16

            16½

            22
            12
            13
            6-1¼
            192
            74
            37½
            42¾
            36
            16
            17½
            10½
            15

            22½
            14
            14½
            6-6¼
            230
            83
            46
            49½
            35½
            17½
            17½
            10
            17½
            10½
            26
            14
            14
            Tale Of
            The Tape
            Jack
            Dempsey
            Gene
            Tunney
            Max
            Schmeling
            Jack
            Sharkey
            Height
            Weight
            Reach
            Chest/Norm.
            Chest/Exp.
            Waist
            Biceps
            Neck
            Wrist
            Calf
            Ankle
            Thigh
            Fist
            Forearm

            6-0¾
            187
            77
            42
            46
            33
            16¼
            16½
            9
            15
            9
            23
            11¼
            14½
            6-0½
            189½
            77
            42
            45
            34½
            14½
            17
            9
            15½
            9
            22
            11¼
            13½
            6-1
            188
            76
            43
            47
            33¼
            16
            17½
            8
            16
            10
            23½
            12
            12¾
            6-0
            205
            74½
            40½
            45½
            34½
            14½
            17

            16
            10¼
            24¾
            12¾
            15¾
            Tale Of
            The Tape
            Primo
            Carnera
            Max
            Baer
            Jimmy
            Braddock
            Joe
            Louis
            Height
            Weight
            Reach
            Chest/Norm.
            Chest/Exp.
            Waist
            Biceps
            Neck
            Wrist
            Calf
            Ankle
            Thigh
            Fist
            Forearm

            6-5¾
            260
            85½
            48
            54
            38
            18½
            20

            20
            11½
            30½
            14¾
            16
            6-2½
            209½
            81
            44
            47½
            32½
            14½
            17½
            8
            15

            21
            12
            14
            6-2½
            193
            75
            41
            44
            34½
            13
            17
            8
            16
            10
            22¾
            11½
            12½
            6-1½
            197
            76
            42
            45
            36½
            15
            17
            8
            14
            10
            22½
            11¾
            12
            Tale Of
            The Tape
            Ezzard
            Charles
            Jersey Joe
            Walcott
            Rocky
            Marciano
            Floyd
            Patterson
            Height
            Weight
            Reach
            Chest/Norm.
            Chest/Exp.
            Waist
            Biceps
            Neck
            Wrist
            Calf
            Ankle
            Thigh
            Fist
            Forearm

            6-0
            181¾
            74
            39
            42
            33
            15½
            16½
            7
            13

            20
            12
            12
            6-0
            194
            74
            40
            43
            35
            16
            17

            14

            21
            12
            13
            5-10¼
            184
            68
            39
            42
            32
            14
            16¾

            14¾
            10
            22
            11½
            12
            6-0
            182¾
            71
            40
            42
            32½
            14¼
            17
            6
            15½

            21½
            12¾
            12
            Tale Of
            The Tape
            Ingemar
            Johansson
            Sonny
            Liston
            Muhammad
            Ali
            Joe
            Frazier
            Height
            Weight
            Reach
            Chest/Norm.
            Chest/Exp.
            Waist
            Biceps
            Neck
            Wrist
            Calf
            Ankle
            Thigh
            Fist
            Forearm

            6-0½
            196
            72½
            43
            45
            34
            16½
            17
            7
            16
            10
            24
            13½
            15
            6-1
            214
            84
            44
            46½
            33
            16½
            17½

            16
            12
            25½
            15
            14½
            6-3
            210½
            82
            43
            45½
            34
            15½
            17½
            8
            17
            10
            25
            12½
            15
            5-11½
            205
            73½
            42
            44
            34
            15
            17½
            7
            13
            11
            26
            13
            13

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by SABBATH
              Marciano's were 11 1/2.

              The Heavyweight Champions of the World
              Tale Of
              The Tape
              John L.
              Sullivan
              James J.
              Corbett
              Bob
              Fitzsimmons
              Jim
              Jeffries
              Height
              Weight
              Reach
              Chest/Norm.
              Chest/Exp.
              Waist
              Biceps
              Neck
              Wrist
              Calf
              Ankle
              Thigh
              Fist
              Forearm

              5-10½
              196
              74
              43
              48
              36
              16¼
              18
              8
              16
              9
              24
              14
              13
              6-1
              178
              73
              38
              42
              33
              14½
              17

              14½

              21
              12¾
              11½
              71¾
              167
              71¾
              41
              44
              32
              12
              15

              13½

              21
              12½
              11½
              6-2½
              206
              76½
              43
              48½
              35
              16
              18¼

              17
              10
              25
              13½
              13½
              Tale Of
              The Tape
              Marvin
              Hart
              Tommy
              Burns
              Jack
              Johnson
              Jess
              Willard
              Height
              Weight
              Reach
              Chest/Norm.
              Chest/Exp.
              Waist
              Biceps
              Neck
              Wrist
              Calf
              Ankle
              Thigh
              Fist
              Forearm

              5-11½
              195
              74
              45
              47½
              35
              15½
              18¼
              8
              17¼
              9
              25
              14
              14
              5-7
              180
              74½
              40
              43¾
              33
              14½
              16

              16½

              22
              12
              13
              6-1¼
              192
              74
              37½
              42¾
              36
              16
              17½
              10½
              15

              22½
              14
              14½
              6-6¼
              230
              83
              46
              49½
              35½
              17½
              17½
              10
              17½
              10½
              26
              14
              14
              Tale Of
              The Tape
              Jack
              Dempsey
              Gene
              Tunney
              Max
              Schmeling
              Jack
              Sharkey
              Height
              Weight
              Reach
              Chest/Norm.
              Chest/Exp.
              Waist
              Biceps
              Neck
              Wrist
              Calf
              Ankle
              Thigh
              Fist
              Forearm

              6-0¾
              187
              77
              42
              46
              33
              16¼
              16½
              9
              15
              9
              23
              11¼
              14½
              6-0½
              189½
              77
              42
              45
              34½
              14½
              17
              9
              15½
              9
              22
              11¼
              13½
              6-1
              188
              76
              43
              47
              33¼
              16
              17½
              8
              16
              10
              23½
              12
              12¾
              6-0
              205
              74½
              40½
              45½
              34½
              14½
              17

              16
              10¼
              24¾
              12¾
              15¾
              Tale Of
              The Tape
              Primo
              Carnera
              Max
              Baer
              Jimmy
              Braddock
              Joe
              Louis
              Height
              Weight
              Reach
              Chest/Norm.
              Chest/Exp.
              Waist
              Biceps
              Neck
              Wrist
              Calf
              Ankle
              Thigh
              Fist
              Forearm

              6-5¾
              260
              85½
              48
              54
              38
              18½
              20

              20
              11½
              30½
              14¾
              16
              6-2½
              209½
              81
              44
              47½
              32½
              14½
              17½
              8
              15

              21
              12
              14
              6-2½
              193
              75
              41
              44
              34½
              13
              17
              8
              16
              10
              22¾
              11½
              12½
              6-1½
              197
              76
              42
              45
              36½
              15
              17
              8
              14
              10
              22½
              11¾
              12
              Tale Of
              The Tape
              Ezzard
              Charles
              Jersey Joe
              Walcott
              Rocky
              Marciano
              Floyd
              Patterson
              Height
              Weight
              Reach
              Chest/Norm.
              Chest/Exp.
              Waist
              Biceps
              Neck
              Wrist
              Calf
              Ankle
              Thigh
              Fist
              Forearm

              6-0
              181¾
              74
              39
              42
              33
              15½
              16½
              7
              13

              20
              12
              12
              6-0
              194
              74
              40
              43
              35
              16
              17

              14

              21
              12
              13
              5-10¼
              184
              68
              39
              42
              32
              14
              16¾

              14¾
              10
              22
              11½
              12
              6-0
              182¾
              71
              40
              42
              32½
              14¼
              17
              6
              15½

              21½
              12¾
              12
              Tale Of
              The Tape
              Ingemar
              Johansson
              Sonny
              Liston
              Muhammad
              Ali
              Joe
              Frazier
              Height
              Weight
              Reach
              Chest/Norm.
              Chest/Exp.
              Waist
              Biceps
              Neck
              Wrist
              Calf
              Ankle
              Thigh
              Fist
              Forearm

              6-0½
              196
              72½
              43
              45
              34
              16½
              17
              7
              16
              10
              24
              13½
              15
              6-1
              214
              84
              44
              46½
              33
              16½
              17½

              16
              12
              25½
              15
              14½
              6-3
              210½
              82
              43
              45½
              34
              15½
              17½
              8
              17
              10
              25
              12½
              15
              5-11½
              205
              73½
              42
              44
              34
              15
              17½
              7
              13
              11
              26
              13
              13

              goddamn...he was a small dude compared to the HW's also...he was throwing 'clubs'

              Comment


              • #8
                Tale Of
                The Tape
                George
                Foreman
                Leon
                Spinks
                Ken
                Norton
                Larry
                Holmes
                Height
                Weight
                Reach
                Chest/Norm.
                Chest/Exp.
                Waist
                Biceps
                Neck
                Wrist
                Calf
                Ankle
                Thigh
                Fist
                Forearm

                6-3
                217¾
                82
                42
                44½
                34
                15
                17

                17

                25
                12
                13½
                6-2
                196
                76
                40½
                42
                32¼
                15½
                17
                7
                15½

                24
                12½
                12
                6-3
                215½
                80
                45
                48
                33
                16
                18
                8
                15½
                10
                25
                13
                13
                6-3½
                209
                80
                43½
                45½
                35
                15¾
                17½
                8
                16
                10
                25
                13½
                13
                Tale Of
                The Tape
                John
                Tate
                Mike
                Weaver
                Michael
                Dokes
                Gerrie
                Coetzee
                Height
                Weight
                Reach
                Chest/Norm.
                Chest/Exp.
                Waist
                Biceps
                Neck
                Wrist
                Calf
                Ankle
                Thigh
                Fist
                Forearm

                6-4
                240
                80
                42
                44
                36
                16
                17½

                17
                10
                26
                13
                13
                6-1
                207
                78½
                44½
                46½
                32
                17
                18
                8
                16
                10½
                24
                13½
                13½
                6-3
                216
                78
                44
                46
                34
                17
                17½

                15
                11
                25
                12½
                13
                6-2½
                215
                81
                43
                46½
                34½
                16
                18
                8
                17¾
                11½
                25
                13
                13½
                Tale Of
                The Tape
                Tim
                Witherspoon
                Pinklon
                Thomas
                Greg
                Page
                Tony
                Tubbs
                Height
                Weight
                Reach
                Chest/Norm.
                Chest/Exp.
                Waist
                Biceps
                Neck
                Wrist
                Calf
                Ankle
                Thigh
                Fist
                Forearm

                6-3
                220¼
                77
                43
                45
                36
                17
                17½
                9
                16½
                9
                25½
                12
                14
                6-3
                216
                76½
                42
                44
                32½
                15
                17
                8
                17
                10
                24½
                12½
                12½
                6-3
                236
                80
                45
                46½
                35
                16½
                17½

                16
                10½
                24
                13½
                13
                6-3
                230
                81
                40
                42
                38
                14
                17
                8
                16
                10
                26
                12
                13
                Tale Of
                The Tape
                Michael
                Spinks
                Trevor
                Berbick
                Mike
                Tyson
                Bonecrusher
                Smith
                Height
                Weight
                Reach
                Chest/Norm.
                Chest/Exp.
                Waist
                Biceps
                Neck
                Wrist
                Calf
                Ankle
                Thigh
                Fist
                Forearm

                6-2½
                200
                76
                38
                40
                32
                13½
                15½

                16
                11
                22
                13
                12
                6-2½
                215
                78
                42
                44
                37
                15
                17

                15½
                10
                24
                13
                12½
                5-11½
                218
                71
                43
                45
                34
                16
                19¾
                8
                18
                11
                27
                13
                14
                6-4
                230
                82
                42½
                44
                38
                18
                18
                9
                16
                9
                29
                13¾
                14
                Tale Of
                The Tape
                Tony
                Tucker
                Buster
                Douglas
                Evander
                Holyfield
                Rid****
                Bowe
                Height
                Weight
                Reach
                Chest/Norm.
                Chest/Exp.
                Waist
                Biceps
                Neck
                Wrist
                Calf
                Ankle
                Thigh
                Fist
                Forearm

                6-5
                225
                81½
                42
                45½
                34
                16½
                17½
                8
                16½
                10
                22½
                13¼
                13½
                6-4
                231
                84
                43
                44½
                36
                18
                17
                8
                16½
                10½
                27
                13
                14
                6-2
                215
                77½
                43
                45
                32
                16
                19½

                13
                10
                22
                12½
                12½
                6-5
                230
                81
                46
                50
                36
                15
                17½
                8
                16½
                11
                26½
                13½
                17
                Tale Of
                The Tape
                Lennox
                Lewis
                Michael
                Moorer
                Oliver
                McCall
                George
                Foreman
                Height
                Weight
                Reach
                Chest/Norm.
                Chest/Exp.
                Waist
                Biceps
                Neck
                Wrist
                Calf
                Ankle
                Thigh
                Fist
                Forearm

                6-5
                245
                84
                44
                46
                34
                17
                18½
                8
                18
                11
                26
                12
                15
                6-2
                225
                78
                42½
                44
                34
                17
                20
                8
                17
                10
                26½
                12
                14
                6-2
                231
                79
                46
                48
                34
                17½
                17
                10
                19
                9
                26
                14
                14
                6-4
                250
                79
                48
                50
                39½
                20
                20
                12
                20
                13
                28
                13½
                14¾
                Tale Of
                The Tape
                Bruce
                Seldon
                Frank
                Bruno
                Height
                Weight
                Reach
                Chest/Norm.
                Chest/Exp.
                Waist
                Biceps
                Neck
                Wrist
                Calf
                Ankle
                Thigh
                Fist
                Forearm

                6-1
                233
                71
                43
                45
                34
                16
                19¾
                8
                18
                11
                27
                13
                14
                6-3
                230
                82
                48
                50
                34
                17
                18
                9
                17
                10
                24
                14
                14

                Comment


                • #9
                  ****in hell. No wonder he had such a devastating punch with all that area hitting his opponents face!

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey and Marciano were among three of the hardest punchers who also happened to have three of the smallest fists (along with Braddock and Tunney they are the only champions under 12 inches).

                    Marciano was just small all around compared to other champions. Height, reach, fist, neck, chest, biceps, thighs etc....while Marciano's 32 inch waist ( the first place most men store fat) is the same as much bigger guys like Mike Weaver, Pinklon Thomas, and Evander Holyfield to name just a few.

                    Marciano was clearly a cruiserweight by today's standards.
                    Last edited by SABBATH; 06-28-2006, 01:02 PM.

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