Bigger waste, Ayala or Ibeabuchi

[OCPancho]

Forgot Tony Ayala died 3 years ago. His death anniversary came by.
Dude was a freaking monster at 154.
Short little fkkr who freaking broke ribs . Fkkr KO'd people and spat at them . But, the man had demons and was a demon himself.

The Nigerian Nightmare would have probably won a heavy belt . Fkkr was like the bigger Tyson .

Who was the bigger waste ?

[The Old LefHook]

Eeny, Meeny, Miny, Moe...

[ShoulderRoll]

Tough call.

Tony Ayala had more tools in the toolbox than Ibeabuchi so I'll pick him, you could see it even when he made his comeback as an older man.

[QueensburyRules]

--- Tony never got ruined in the ring like Ike was against Tua.

Thought Tua displayed very underrated boxing skills with much cleaner punches that he seldom had to use to take the decision, but definitely Ike was busier even if he ate more than he could handle. The headaches came after this fight, all the assaults on his sparmates and women, and clearly deranged with he kidnapped his GF's young son and drove his car into a bridge abutment in Austin. Fortunately the kid wasn't too badly damaged, but it was enough to put Ike away for the long haul.

But he was released recently and shortly thereafter taken back into custody because Nigeria wouldn't accept him and Homeland Security didn't want him running loose. so now on lockdown at some unknown place waiting on some state to accept him.

[The Old LefHook]

--- Tony never got ruined in the ring like Ike was against Tua.

Thought Tua displayed very underrated boxing skills with much cleaner punches that he seldom had to use to take the decision, but definitely Ike was busier even if he ate more than he could handle. The headaches came after this fight, all the assaults on his sparmates and women, and clearly deranged with he kidnapped his GF's young son and drove his car into a bridge abutment in Austin. Fortunately the kid wasn't too badly damaged, but it was enough to put Ike away for the long haul.

But he was released recently and shortly thereafter taken back into custody because Nigeria wouldn't accept him and Homeland Security didn't want him running loose. so now on lockdown at some unknown place waiting on some state to accept him.

Good update. If it is true, that is. Who really knows with the great Queensbree?

[GhostofDempsey]

They each had the same potential for greatness. P4P Alaya was a better fighter but untested at the time of his arrest. Ike had already defeated Tua and Byrd in a stacked HW division. Alaya was supposed to fight Duran until he lost to a guy named Laing. He was scheduled to fight Dave Moore but was arrested for ****.

[Eff Pandas]

I feel like Ike was largely cuz he was a HW & he had the potential to be the "baddest mfer on the planet" which is bigger than anything Ayala coulda done.

[OctoberRed]

I feel like Ike was largely cuz he was a HW & he had the potential to be the "baddest mfer on the planet" which is bigger than anything Ayala coulda done.

HBO was building him as the next big thing

[Elroy The Great]

this really is a tough one.

im going with tony because he got derailed so young.

[Elroy The Great]

I feel like Ike was largely cuz he was a HW & he had the potential to be the "baddest mfer on the planet" which is bigger than anything Ayala coulda done.

imo, a guy who can dominate multiple divs > a guy who runs 1.

tyson was the baddest man on the planet at one point but who would rank him above rjj ?