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  • #11
    Originally posted by Born to Win
    Those compubox numbers mentioned above might come from the holding Tyson's opponents did.
    The compubox numbers say that Tyson never did come close to throwing "non stop" for tweleve rounds as both Mystyal and you suggested...

    Can't go around giving somebody credit for something he never did.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Yogi
      The compubox numbers say that Tyson never did come close to throwing "non stop" for tweleve rounds as both Mystyal and you suggested...

      Can't go around giving somebody credit for something he never did.
      What do you think about his fights against Ruddock and Tyson's stamina he displayed there?

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Yogi
        The compubox numbers say that Tyson never did come close to throwing "non stop" for tweleve rounds as both Mystyal and you suggested...

        Can't go around giving somebody credit for something he never did.

        i hope u knew what we meant by saying non stop as in he never got tired or took a breather or a opponents shoulder.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Yaman
          That doesnt say much about Tysons stamina in the later rounds. Bonehugging Smith kept holding him till the end, but if you look closely, you'll see Tyson was still as fresh as in the 1st round. Bouncing around, moving his head etc. That was just a dull fight. Against Tucker you could see his real stamina. He didnt look any diffirent than the early rounds, when he rocked Tucker in round 10 or 11(Might have to check when that was).
          It doesn't say much about his stamina, because I didn't mention his stamina in that post, besides my thinking that the thread starter should have given him more credit...

          My post was ONLY in disagreement with Mystyal's statement about him throwing "non stop" for twelve rounds, when the twelve round fights he DID have suggest something completely different.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Yogi
            It doesn't say much about his stamina, because I didn't mention his stamina in that post, besides my thinking that the thread starter should have given him more credit...

            My post was ONLY in disagreement with Mystyal's statement about him throwing "non stop" for twelve rounds, when the twelve round fights he DID have suggest something completely different.

            how come u havnt quoted mine yet?

            but ne way when he wasnt held he practically did throw non stop it jus wasnt continuous due to the hugging and running

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            • #16
              Originally posted by mystyal2k5
              how come u havnt quoted mine yet?
              What one...the post where you gave your views as to why he wasn't able to throw as many punches in a twelve round fight?

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Yogi
                What one...the post where you gave your views as to why he wasn't able to throw as many punches in a twelve round fight?

                this 1.when ppl ****in run from u and tie up its difficult to get your punches off. now i know u knew this yogi.think about it u cach the guy when running and u throw 2 punches then a tie up. what happened with the bone crusher fight. and tucker ran like a ***** from him no way u can get your punches of like that.

                and for his punch rate he threw bombs on almost all of his punches. in my opinion u will get tired from throwing 30 bombs a round then throwing 100 slap shots a round. plus it was about stamina not punch output. even if he didnt throw that many punches for the obvious reason's he still didnt get tired he jus was only limited to throwing a few shots cause of runners and grabbers. i know exactly what mike went threw with that **** cause it frustrates me when sparring all the time

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by mystyal2k5
                  this 1.when ppl ****in run from u and tie up its difficult to get your punches off. now i know u knew this yogi.think about it u cach the guy when running and u throw 2 punches then a tie up. what happened with the bone crusher fight. and tucker ran like a ***** from him no way u can get your punches of like that.

                  and for his punch rate he threw bombs on almost all of his punches. in my opinion u will get tired from throwing 30 bombs a round then throwing 100 slap shots a round. plus it was about stamina not punch output. even if he didnt throw that many punches for the obvious reason's he still didnt get tired he jus was only limited to throwing a few shots cause of runners and grabbers. i know exactly what mike went threw with that **** cause it frustrates me when sparring all the time
                  All this is to me Mystyal is you going back on what you said and trying to give your views (and they're valid enough) as to why Tyson wasn't able to throw "non stop" for tweleve rounds, which would then agree with my own views that he NEVER threw "non stop" for tweleve rounds.

                  And also, the punch stats from the Smith & Tucker fights don't suggest he was as active with his power punches as you're saying he was...For example, against Tucker he averaged 13 jabs per round (going by the numbers), and if you ask me that was one of the better displays of his jabs that I've seen. That would mean Tyson threw the jab well more than a third of the time against Tucker, and that would leave 21 power punches per round on average in the fight...which again, is by no where near a high number of power punches a round from a heavyweight.

                  Like I said, my disagreement isn't neccessarily with his stamina so much as it is a disagreement with your comment about him throwing "non stop" for tweleve rounds, which is something you can't give him credit for when he was never able to come close to proving that.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by Yogi
                    All this is to me Mystyal is you going back on what you said and trying to give your views (and they're valid enough) as to why Tyson wasn't able to throw "non stop" for tweleve rounds, which would then agree with my own views that he NEVER threw "non stop" for tweleve rounds.

                    And also, the punch stats from the Smith & Tucker fights don't suggest he was as active with his power punches as you're saying he was...For example, against Tucker he averaged 13 jabs per round (going by the numbers), and if you ask me that was one of the better displays of his jabs that I've seen. That would mean Tyson threw the jab well more than a third of the time against Tucker, and that would leave 21 power punches per round on average in the fight...which again, is by no where near a high number of power punches a round from a heavyweight.

                    Like I said, my disagreement isn't neccessarily with his stamina so much as it is a disagreement with your comment about him throwing "non stop" for tweleve rounds, which is something you can't give him credit for when he was never able to come close to proving that.
                    with the tucker fight again. how can u connect when ppl r running from him. how many fighter do u see running from there opponents nowadays or before not a whole lot.well i guess with the tucker fight it was a tryin to get in and land some shots match but still he did what he could with the limited tools that tyson had.and i see your average of punches by a hw. but again ppl ran from tyson like a ***** so its sorta unfair in tyson's part. right or wrong?

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by mystyal2k5
                      obviously this cant be prime fighters cause if so i know u would have tyson's stamina alot higher then that maybe 9 cause he never tired with the work rate he did
                      tyson vs. tillis. watch.

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