A question to all of the sane members of this forum

[LondonRingRules]

Ali's opponents before he met Liston:

Herb Siler, 1-1-0
Tony Esperti, 9-6-2
Jimmy Robinson, 0-1-0
Duke Sabedong, 15-11-1
Archie Moore...49 freakin' years old!

[Frazier's 15th round]

Some of those guys you listed were from his first 5 bouts. The opponents I listed for Foreman were before he fought for the WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE. Foreman fought nothing but longshoremen, roadsweepers, and ham and eggers to pad his record.

Since you use Ali's earliest bouts against him, I'll use Foreman's against him. Of his 37 opponents before Frazier, 17 had losing records. 18 of them had 20 or less pro fights. I believe Chuvalo and Peralta were the only two guys who were even in the top 10.

[tommyhearns804]

K-Dogg if you are going to say M Moorer wasn't a true heavyweight even though most of his career he fought as a heavyweight them why do people insist that Marciano is a true heavyweight?But anyway K-Dogg Cooper did not punch harder than Ron Lyle period.Besides knocking down Ali who else did he knock down who is worth mentioning?And again if Moorer was just a cruiserweight then the same would be said about Cooper.
Holyfield never had Foreman out.I don't know what fight that kid was watching.Holyfield landed 25 punches in a row at one time and of course Foreman moved just like any other man who was punched by somebody like Holyfield 25 straight punches but was never hurt.Morrison ran like a woman once he realized his punches weren't hurting Foreman(This was right after Mercer knocked out Morrison so i am sure Morrison didn't want the same thing to happen to him again)But Morrison landed some big punches.
This is to the kid who said Alex Stewart couldn't punch..So is that why he has 43 wins 40 by ko?The man was a vicious puncher in his prime.Shannon Briggs is a hard puncher who did nothing to a older weaker slower Foreman.Here is something some of you don' get.The older you get the less fluid you have around your brain which is the reason you see older fighters getting knocked down more than did when they were younger.So if a old 40 plus year old Foreman had the chin to take those punches then a younger Foreman would have a even better chin.
Not only was Ali easier to hurt he was hurt more often.If you had any punch at all you could hurt Ali.He would just grab on say something ****** and clowned around pretending to not be hurt until his head cleared..And don't bring up that young knocked Foreman down.If you watched the fight you knew Foreman slipped and the man was dead tired it is like saying Ali couldnt take it to the body because Chuck Wepner dropped Ali with one body punch.We both know either Ali was off balanced or Wepner stepped on Ali's foot when he was pulling away.
How many of you think that a man like Cooper could knock Foreman down and almost out with one punch?Or other 180 pound fighters like Doug Jones?Moorer punched harder than either and landed punch after punch on a old Foreman but did Foreman appear to be hurt and didnt our buddy K-Dogg just say even though Moorer was a hard puncher he was still basically a hard puncher at the cruiserweight divsion?So how many cruiserweights do you believe could flatten Foreman with one shot?None of you right?So i proved my point Foreman had alot better chin that Ali did.

[tommyhearns804]

Frazier's 15th round do you have a point of talking about who Foreman fought before he fought Frazier?Was the post call that?Or did it have something to do with Foreman and Ali's chin?No you have no point.So Foreman fought a few bums before he fought Frazier and?Foreman still beat the crap out of Frazier which is what most people remember.I could find people Frazier fought who weren't that good but does that have anything to with him beating Ali?Nope so how about we stick to the post topic.

[LondonRingRules]

Some of those guys you listed were from his first 5 bouts. The opponents I listed for Foreman were before he fought for the WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE. Foreman fought nothing but longshoremen, roadsweepers, and ham and eggers to pad his record.

Since you use Ali's earliest bouts against him, I'll use Foreman's against him. Of his 37 opponents before Frazier, 17 had losing records. 18 of them had 20 or less pro fights. I believe Chuvalo and Peralta were the only two guys who were even in the top 10.

** Hey, goofus, in his 4th pro fight, Foreman stopped Wepner in 3 rds. In his 2nd year as a pro he defeated Peralta and title contender Chuvalo he also stopped in 3 brutal rounds, the same guy that Ali had to fight off of him every single round in two matches that went the distance, both for belts.

In Ali's 4th pro fight he KOed a LH, Jimmy Robinson, who had never won a single bout and finished his record losing almost all his bouts by KO. That was also in Ali's 2nd year. Ali gave Chuckles Wepner a title fight and was knocked down, and roughed up in a fight he whined to the ref about all night.

Foreman also has a dominant record against common comp than does Ali.

Try again Junior. Get some tutoring though. You're completely UNSCHOOLED and need to spend some time in the dunce's corner.

[Frazier's 15th round]

Hey, goofus, in his 4th pro fight, Foreman stopped Wepner in 3 rds. In his 2nd year as a pro he defeated Peralta and title contender Chuvalo he also stopped in 3 brutal rounds, the same guy that Ali had to fight off of him every single round in two matches that went the distance, both for belts.

In Ali's 4th pro fight he KOed a LH, Jimmy Robinson, who had never won a single bout and finished his record losing almost all his bouts by KO. That was also in Ali's 2nd year. Ali gave Chuckles Wepner a title fight and was knocked down, and roughed up in a fight he whined to the ref about all night.

Foreman also has a dominant record against common comp than does Ali.

Try again Junior. Get some tutoring though. You're completely UNSCHOOLED and need to spend some time in the dunce's corner.

Wepner had no boxing skills. He was rubbish. It's pointless to make a case for Foreman being a great fighter because he beat a human shock absorber like Wepner. I did mention that he beat Chuvalo and Peralta, but those were the only two names he had in 37 fights. And Wepner rabbit punched Ali all night. Wepner made Ali (who loved to hold and push down the head and neck) look bad with all of his fouling.

You mentioned in Ali's 4th fight that he took on a guy who lost almost all of his bouts by KO. Well, doofus, in Foreman's 33rd pro bout, he took on Goodwin (more like no-win) who was 0-14-1, and retired after this bout.

Dominant record against common comp? What the **** does that mean? While Ali occasionally had an easy fight, he was also beating good and great fighters. Foreman kept beating up on tomato cans. I guess that's what you meant. Ali took on contenders, while Foreman beat up on guys with losing records.

[LondonRingRules]

Wepner had no boxing skills. He was rubbish. It's pointless to make a case for Foreman being a great fighter because he beat a human shock absorber like Wepner. I did mention that he beat Chuvalo and Peralta, but those were the only two names he had in 37 fights. And Wepner rabbit punched Ali all night. Wepner made Ali (who loved to hold and push down the head and neck) look bad with all of his fouling.

You mentioned in Ali's 4th fight that he took on a guy who lost almost all of his bouts by KO. Well, doofus, in Foreman's 33rd pro bout, he took on Goodwin (more like no-win) who was 0-14-1, and retired after this bout.

Dominant record against common comp? What the **** does that mean? While Ali occasionally had an easy fight, he was also beating good and great fighters. Foreman kept beating up on tomato cans. I guess that's what you meant. Ali took on contenders, while Foreman beat up on guys with losing records.

** Like I said Junior, git THEE some schoolin'!

Foreman was fighting stiffer comp much earlier than Ali. Also he his 2nd year he KOed Kirkman, and in his 3rd year he KOed Peralta in the rematch. In Ali's 3rd and 4th year he was winning specious bouts against Banks and Cooper and being deposited on his rump. He also had a controversial decision over Jones who he never gave a rematch.

His management just kept Foreman busier trying to get a title shot. That's why in his 5th year he won his title just like Ali in his 5th year, but George was a perfect 37-0 compared to Ali's 19-0. Ali had never beat a top contender before the Liston fight. Both Jones and Cooper were fringe contenders who had never challenged for a title. George beat a recent title contender and a future title contender.

If you Brits can't understand plain English then I suggest you learn Gaelic or French. Foreman has a more dominant record against common comp, plain and simple English. Ali has some advantages in that his retirement was only 3 yrs instead of 10, but even so George done some things no fighter has ever done and he did it without getting busted up by little Leon.

[Frazier's 15th round]

Nope, he got busted up by little Jimmy, not to mention being completely embarrassed by Ali.

Ali won all 8 rounds in the RITJ, the fight was not even close.

[LondonRingRules]

Nope, he got busted up by little Jimmy, not to mention being completely embarrassed by Ali.

Ali won all 8 rounds in the RITJ, the fight was not even close.

** Ali jocksniffer alert.

Fumes have caused brain damage. Client doesn't know where he is or how he got there and only has vague memories of a fighter named Ali who struggled mightily in his comeback and now has extremely serious health conditions today mirroring that of the client.

[tommyhearns804]

LondonRingRules you should ignore the little child he is just upset because Foreman destroyed Frazier a fight he loves.He will say anything he can to try to put Foreman down.Ali won all 8 rounds against Foreman?For making a comment that ****** i have to put on my ignore list.Foreman won most of the rounds by being busy period.Jimmy Young busted up Foreman?What fight were you watching?Wait i know you mean Foreman busted up Frazier 2 times.Kicked the crap out of him so bad in their second fight he had to retire.
Foreman was never dominated in any fight his whole career which is something few fighters can claim.Frazier was beat up by Ali 2 times and Foreman 2 times and had to get a gift win when Bonavena dropped him 2 times in their first fight.
You make a great point LondonRingRules Ali was getting beat around by the likes of Leon Spinks when Ali was only 36 or so.He was done.But yet Foreman could have 30 fights after he was 38 years old and fight some world class fighter during that time and remain perfectly healthy..Do you have any clue to why this is?I do because Foreman was the superior fighter.He had his flaws but he was alot harder to beat than Ali was.Foreman crushed legends.Even when he was in his 40's men feared him.Men like Tyson ducked him.Who ducked Ali?Nobody was afraid to fight him.
He got lucky by beating Foreman and never gave him a rematch.But he had little problems giving just about every other fight he fought a rematch and some he even fought 3 times and yet no rematch for Foreman.Ali knew he was lucky.You don't press your lucky 2 times with a young Foreman.Ali is more popular because he was a clown.He did anything he could to make a fool out of himself so the media would laugh.Foreman did his job and went home.He beat destroyed legends in a few rounds while Ali struggled with the Coopers and Doug Jones of the world.
Ask Frazier if you could make him young and make Ali and Foreman young again and then ask who he would rather fight.I bet you he would shyt his pants if he had to fight Foreman again.He knew he could never win.Ask any person who would they rather be Ali a boxer with limited power who could be hurt by weaker smaller men,who is only known today because he was a suck up and he has brain damage..or Foreman a man who destroyed his opponents,a man who could win the title at 45,to be Foreman a man who is still in great health and could probably box again today if he wanted too.All logical people would want to be Foreman.Nobody would want to be Ali or your boy Frazier.
Get a grip kid or you will end up being as big of a loser as Kid Achillies.