Most Important Part Of Legacy?

[ShoulderRoll]

Like it or not I think Floyd has a good resume.

Genaro Hernandez, Corrales, Jesus Chavez, Castillo, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, JMM, a Shane Mosley who had destroyed Margie Plaster Mitts, Cotto, Canelo, Maidana, and Pacquiao.

I don't think there were that many big challenges that he missed. He had agreed to all terms for the Pacquiao fight when both were younger...he wasn't the one who walked away because of stricter drug testing.

As we have since seen in the sport it was a valid concern.

[joeandthebums]

Pacquiao beating Morales and JMM, just an example.

I give Morales slightly more kudos for beating Pacquiao then the other way round.

I've always felt their career trajectories when they met favoured Pacquiao more for the victories.

[GrandpaBernard]

Like it or not I think Floyd has a good resume.

Genaro Hernandez, Corrales, Jesus Chavez, Castillo, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, JMM, a Shane Mosley who had destroyed Margie Plaster Mitts, Cotto, Canelo, Maidana, and Pacquiao.

I don't think there were that many big challenges that he missed. He had agreed to all terms for the Pacquiao fight when both were younger...he wasn't the one who walked away because of stricter drug testing.

As we have since seen in the sport it was a valid concern.

Floyd's legacy uniquely goes beyond having a good resume.

He shattered the glass ceiling being the first defensive wizard to be the star of his era, pioneered a more robust drug testing, and used reality shows to change the way fights are promoted.

He has one of the best legacies of all time when we look beyond resumes.

[GrandpaBernard]

The major flaw in boxing fan culture is how some people credit major losses.

For example there's no way Miguel Cotto's resume is bettered by fighting and getting destroyed by manny.

Odds at the time show he was expected to do well but fell short.

[soul_survivor]

I give Morales slightly more kudos for beating Pacquiao then the other way round.

I've always felt their career trajectories when they met favoured Pacquiao more for the victories.

The win over Pac is huge for Morales' legacy so I do agree but conversely, Pacquiao still manages to hold wins over the 3 other most relevant lover division fighters of his generation. I don't think either guy would have been as great if not for the other.

Same goes for Morales/Barrera and Pac/JMM.

[BKM-]

Who you beat and when. Good to see most are in agreement.

[gamesworn]

I give Morales slightly more kudos for beating Pacquiao then the other way round.

I've always felt their career trajectories when they met favoured Pacquiao more for the victories.

To me, their wins against each other were about equal. Pacquiao giving Morales his first knockout of his career was an impressive win. The rematch did happen few months later not years after their first fight. So it's basically the same Morales.

And five years later, Morales almost defeated 2 young prime fighters (bigger than him) in Danny and Maidana.

What do you think is the better win?
Marquez ko6 Post-Prime Pacquiao or Morales UD Prime Pacquaio?

[joeandthebums]

Pacquiao giving Morales his first knockout of his career was an impressive win. The rematch did happen few months later not years after their first fight. So it's basically the same Morales.

Those fights do have positives/negatives, but Morales was on slide when he beat Pacquiao (why I give him credit) and ten months later he'd slipped a little more.

Great stoppage victory for Pacquiao though.

What do you think is the better win?
Marquez ko6 Post-Prime Pacquiao or Morales UD Prime Pacquaio?

Given it long thought and it's so close, but lean to Morales simply because to categorize him in your context, post-prime victory against prime Pacquiao.

[The Old LefHook]

A unique example in the history of boxing legacies belongs to sugar Ray Leonard. He had very few fights for an all time great, especially since a fair number of later bouts mean nothing to his legacy. He fought the right people at the right time. When you fight Benitez, Hearns, Duran and Hagler in their primes, and beat them, you have done something that may not be seen again.

Compare this to Floyd Mayweather who has fought for years at the top of his game yet avoided the biggest challenges. Instead of wiping out his divisions with pride, Mayweather cherry picked his way to certain victories. He did not fight monsters when they were still monsters. Line them up.

First, he could have overcome Margarito when the Mexican strongman was carrying a mighty reputation. But no. Cotto and Mosely were already beaten bags of bones when he got to them, just as planned. Hoya was shot. Safety first, of course, always, if you are Floyd Mayweather jr.

If FMW had been a real champion seeking legacy-building contests instead of only money, there would be a Kostya Tzsyu somewhere on his resume, wouldn't there? There was a big problem with this fight from the beginning--Tszyu was in his prime. Floyd Mayweather jr. does not fight great fighters in their primes. Is someone saying they have not noticed that after seventeen years or whatever it is?

It is a fact, Mayweather has never faced a great fighter in their prime, or even one that turned out not to be great but was considered highly dangerous at the time. He does not do it, folks. There is nothing closer to an undeniable fact in all of boxing.

Boxers can be dumb and make a lot of money. Once you have that much money and adulation truth becomes harder to see. Mayweather beguiled himself into believeing that he was building an ATG legacy with the second raters he was lining up for millions.

Then the famous boxer retires. He sees that his legacy is not viewed the same way he views it by millions of fans and many journalists and boxing historians.

Mayweather is unique, too. He has one of the weakest rosters for an ATG. The sin is that it could be much stronger. Even Roy Jones--the perennial cherry picker--faced Toney and young Hopkins.

Jones saw that people did not take him as seriously as he took himself, so on he fights. Will Mayweather fight again? Of course he will. One trillion points for anyone who cares to bet. When it comes to the GOAT, he is hardly in the discussion, other than a few greenhorn votes. Why? You know why. He perhaps should be in that discussion, but now he cannot be, for he did not beat anyone even remotely great at the time he fought them. His legacy can only be salvaged by fighting GGG as his swan song. He is not going to do it. Another trillion for anyone who thinks he will fight GGG. The offer stays open for a week, so I myself do not forget about it.

[The plunger man]

Basically the principle on how you are judged on all time greatness is who you beat in your division and when you beat them...if you beat all the great fighters in your division at the time when they are also at there best...that's your legacy right there...then I would say divisions and dominance are joint 2nd