Most complete fighter ever lived.

[-CANE-]

Well, there are two versions of Lennox, the early version that really didn't box very well..kind of awkward. And the latter version that was a master technician.

Can you imagine how good he would have been if he was the size he was against Ruddock but had been trained by Steward from the start.

He would have been possibly the most complete fighter ever in the division and may have never been beaten.

[Hawkins]

Can you imagine how good he would have been if he was the size he was against Ruddock but had been trained by Steward from the start.

He would have been possibly the most complete fighter ever in the division and may have never been beaten.

To be quite honest I never thought that highly of him until later on in his career. Early on, to me at least, he was just another of the big lumbering heavyweights after one of the multitude of belts.

I think he is one guy you can most definetly had a later prime than most.

[Jim Jeffries]

Can you imagine how good he would have been if he was the size he was against Ruddock but had been trained by Steward from the start.

He would have been possibly the most complete fighter ever in the division and may have never been beaten.

You can definitely tell the difference between a pre-Steward Lewis in McCall/LewisI (Steward helping a club fighter in McCall beat Lewis) and his career with Steward soon after. Except for that slip in Africa, at 5000 feet, against Rahman, he was pretty damn good.

[Hawkins]

You can definitely tell the difference between a pre-Steward Lewis in McCall/LewisI (Steward helping a club fighter in McCall beat Lewis) and his career with Steward soon after. Except for that slip in Africa, at 5000 feet, against Rahman, he was pretty damn good.

Agreed. Before Manny came Len was very awkward looking at times. After Manny got ivolved he became a true 'pugilist specialist'.

[stefjonno1]

Yeah Robinson. He had everything.

[The Noose]

The question should be 'Not including Robinson'.

I like Ricardo Lopez.

[Burning Desire]

Prime Mike Tyson
Prime Roy Jones Jr
Sugar Ray Robinson
Prime Meldrick Taylor
Alexis Arguello
Salvador Sanchez
Ricardo Lopez
Charles Burley

[Jim Jeffries]

Prime Mike Tyson
Prime Roy Jones Jr
Sugar Ray Robinson
Prime Meldrick Taylor
Alexis Arguello
Salvador Sanchez
Ricardo Lopez
Charles Burley

Tyson may have been a lot of things, but most COMPLETE fighter? Take away his power and he would have struggled to have a winning record. He couldn't fight going backwards, granted he never had to. He almost never outboxed anyone from the outside, just waded in and threw bombs, a lot of them from clinch distance. I like the rest of the list though, its worth mentioning that Roy never lost until he was 35, not counting that ****** fight where he hit Montell Griffin when he was on one knee (hell of a way to lose a championship), and his destruction of Griffin in the first round in the next fight made up for that.

[wmute]

I think Robinson is the best fighter ever,

however he is not the most complete, in that his defense is definitely sub-par when compared to his offensive game.

I would say Ray Leonard is more complete/balanced (obviously I would pick Robinson over Leonard, but I still think Leonard is more complete)