top 3 jr middles

[rightsideup]

If you think that Duran or Dempsey or Marciano's skill level matches Robinsons
then I might agree. However Robinson in my opinion is the greatest boxer of all time. I can see your examples all loosing at their best against all time bests. I don't see that with Robinson at 154!!

I struggle with out acknowledging not many men beat duran at 140

[Rspen46]

10 bouts

My rule for each division is, give the guys credit that officially fought in that division, I make 10 bouts my limit to qualify for being considered in any division, that way, you've established yourself enough in that weight to be considered one of the best at that weight, it's only fair to the guys that toiled there for a long time, no matter what the division is, Arguello was not a JWW so I don't give Pryor much credit for beating him there, Duran passed up JWW but surely would have beaten Pryor if he had accepted Durans offer to fight him on his to WW but he turned him down, so Duran could not claim another title.

Most of the old time LW fighters, all consistantly fought at JWW weight, many hardly ever went into the ring weight 135 and under, but many never fought a JWW bout, so I'm not going to just automatically throw them in.

Do you Take Rocky Marciano and just remove him from HW and automatically place him in as the Best Crusierweight ever, no, so why do it for one if not doing it for all.

[Rspen46]

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1. Mike McCallum - Too skilled overall for anyone at 154 to beat outside of SRR, who has his own Divisions at WW & MW to count him in.
2. Terry Norris - In his prime, before he faded, no one could beat him, he could box with the best, had speed, quickness, and awesome Power.
3. Sugar Ray Leonard - did not stay long here, but must be considered, Norris beat him, near the end, but I think he does that at any point in his career, and at this weight McCallum beats him also, one of the few that could beat him in a UD.

Hearns had the power to always be considered here, he is top 5 for sure, but he could not beat SRL, Norris would catch him and KO him and McCallum would either win a UD or TKO him, as McCallum was too skilled and too good defensively to lose to him, and he had enough power to KO Hearns.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

1. Mike McCallum - Too skilled overall for anyone at 154 to beat outside of SRR, who has his own Divisions at WW & MW to count him in.
2. Terry Norris - In his prime, before he faded, no one could beat him, he could box with the best, had speed, quickness, and awesome Power.
3. Sugar Ray Leonard - did not stay long here, but must be considered, Norris beat him, near the end, but I think he does that at any point in his career, and at this weight McCallum beats him also, one of the few that could beat him in a UD.

Hearns had the power to always be considered here, he is top 5 for sure, but he could not beat SRL, Norris would catch him and KO him and McCallum would either win a UD or TKO him, as McCallum was too skilled and too good defensively to lose to him, and he had enough power to KO Hearns.

Hearns at 154 would kill norris.. Probably wouldn't go past 5 or 6 rds.. I agree with leonard... Mccallum 50/50 but hearns probably outpoints him