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  • Why Sick Boxers NEVER Punch Hard.

    Obviously, I forgot the L in the title thread. I find no way to correct it.

    A slick boxer who boxes your ears off like MW or Pep then suddenly KO's you with one punch.

    Fiction, right? Doesn't happen, right? One can point to a stray counter example here and there. Benitez's KO of Maurice Harris, or did I get the last name wrong, would be a good stray counter example.

    This has lot to do with living off the back foot and always being on the move in the ring. These fighters are usually not set to throw the hardest punch.

    But what one notices is that even when they are set they do not know how to punch. Chris Byrd, Nico Locche, MW himself, Jimmy Young, Whitaker and hundreds of others like them simply cannot punch hard even when they try. Even Ali was but a medium puncher.

    Slick boxing is mostly a defensive game. Slick boxers are often not set, but in general they cannot punch anyway, which might have influenced their decision to become slick boxers. Maybe I have the chicken and the egg mixed up. Maybe these guys' propensity for slick boxing came first and interfered with the ability to throw a hard shot. Gavilan himself was barely a medium puncher.

    Career counter examples are rare, if barely existant. Jersey Joe is one of the few actual slick boxers who could punch your lights out with either mitt.

    You can be slick at attacking a la Robinson, but that does not make you the kind of slick defensive boxer I am talking a bout.

    RJJ is not a good example, since his slick boxing was mainly to confined to jumping in from halfway across the ring, throwing a punch and jumping back out of reach.

    Hopkins is a slick boxer on the other hand and not much of a puncher to go with it. He is not feather-fisted, however, but a medium puncher, just barely.

    One might even say De La Hoya was a fairly slick boxer who could punch, at least with one hand. Lennox Lewis is not a great example either.

    I guess there are a lot of reasons slick boxers overwhelmingly cannot punch. What are they?
    Last edited by The Old LefHook; 06-26-2015, 12:02 AM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post
    Obviously, I forgot the L in the title thread. I find no way to correct it.

    A slick boxer who boxes your ears off like MW or Pep then suddenly KO's you with one punch.

    Fiction, right? Doesn't happen, right? One can point to a stray counter example here and there. Benitez's KO of Maurice Harris, or did I get the last name wrong, would be a good stray counter example.

    This has lot to do with living off the back foot and always being on the move in the ring. These fighters are usually not set to throw the hardest punch.

    But what one notices is that even when they are set they do not know how to punch. Chris Byrd, Nico Locche, MW himself, Jimmy Young, Whitaker and hundreds of others like them simply cannot punch hard even when they try. Even Ali was but a medium puncher.

    Slick boxing is mostly a defensive game. Slick boxers are often not set, but in general they cannot punch anyway, which might have influenced their decision to become slick boxers. Maybe I have the chicken and the egg mixed up. Maybe these guys' propensity for slick boxing came first and interfered with the ability to throw a hard shot. Gavilan himself was barely a medium puncher.

    Career counter examples are rare, if barely existant. Jersey Joe is one of the few actual slick boxers who could punch your lights out with either mitt.

    You can be slick at attacking a la Robinson, but that does not make you the kind of slick defensive boxer I am talking a bout.

    RJJ is not a good example, since his slick boxing was mainly to confined to jumping in from halfway across the ring, throwing a punch and jumping back out of reach.

    Hopkins is a slick boxer on the other hand and not much of a puncher to go with it. He is not feather-fisted, however, but a medium puncher, just barely.

    One might even say De La Hoya was a fairly slick boxer who could punch, at least with one hand. Lennox Lewis is not a great example either.

    I guess there are a lot of reasons slick boxers overwhelmingly cannot punch. What are they?
    You need to go away and study some boxing fights..

    Sugar Ray Robinson had one of the greatest KO records of all time.
    Muhammad Ali was the first fighter to KO Liston, Foreman, Lyle & Bonavena.
    Lennox Lewis could kill a man with his right hand, such was its power. Yet you call him a "Slick Boxer"..which of his fights can i watch to see his slick boxing?
    Benitez KO of Maurice Hope was `brutal`...
    Who is MW ????
    Pernell Whitaker could punch alright. watch his bout against Roger Mayweather.
    Jimmy Young floored Foreman
    Roy Jones was an incredible power-puncher
    Hopkins punched hard enough to KO quality fighters

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    • #3
      Originally posted by sonnyboyx2 View Post
      You need to go away and study some boxing fights..

      Sugar Ray Robinson had one of the greatest KO records of all time.
      Muhammad Ali was the first fighter to KO Liston, Foreman, Lyle & Bonavena.
      Lennox Lewis could kill a man with his right hand, such was its power. Yet you call him a "Slick Boxer"..which of his fights can i watch to see his slick boxing?
      Benitez KO of Maurice Hope was `brutal`...
      Who is MW ????
      Pernell Whitaker could punch alright. watch his bout against Roger Mayweather.
      Jimmy Young floored Foreman
      Roy Jones was an incredible power-puncher
      Hopkins punched hard enough to KO quality fighters
      I do not need to go away and study boxing tapes, junior, since I have seen every fight and fighter listed multiple times, and even addressed them in my post. You need to go away and learn to read a post accurately instead of reacting to it with your vital juices before you have time to do so.

      So let me assist you by the elbow once again. Roy Jones was not a slick boxer and Ali was not a devastating puncher. Without his superhauman footspeed Jones does not have a clue how to defened himself. A su****ious KO of Liston and the anomaly of Bonavena hardly make the case for Ali as a devastating puncher, now do they? Despite Maurice Hope, no one goes around making the case that Benitez was a devastating puncher who went undiscovered as such for his entire career. Same with Whitaker. The reason is simple: because they were not.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post
        I do not need to go away and study boxing tapes, junior, since I have seen every fight and fighter listed multiple times, and even addressed them in my post. You need to go away and learn to read a post accurately instead of reacting to it with your vital juices before you have time to do so.

        So let me assist you by the elbow once again. Roy Jones was not a slick boxer and Ali was not a devastating puncher. Without his superhauman footspeed Jones does not have a clue how to defened himself. A su****ious KO of Liston and the anomaly of Bonavena hardly make the case for Ali as a devastating puncher, now do they? Despite Maurice Hope, no one goes around making the case that Benitez was a devastating puncher who went undiscovered as such for his entire career. Same with Whitaker. The reason is simple: because they were not.
        James toney? Tunney? Ezzard Charles? Heck... Archie Moore was slick and he has the most amount of KOs. I think u mean more movers, may weather, pep, etc constantly move/moved that's why they had less power. Nothing to do with being slick or not. Tommy hearns was another slick fighter. Duran and Leonard too

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        • #5
          James Toney
          Michael Nunn
          Mike McCallum
          Terry Norris
          Naseem Hamed
          Roberto Duran
          Sugar Ray Leonard
          Shane Mosley (younger version)
          Harold Johnson
          Marvin Hagler (younger version)

          I am sure the list of counter examples could continue

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          • #6
            Whitaker was actually a pretty hard hitter.

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            • #7
              Roy Jones was a boxer-puncher.

              He could box or slug. Watch the Hill fight, where he counters over Hill's jab.

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              • #8
                Ezzard Charles....

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                • #9
                  Rigondeaux is very slick and everyone has said he hits like a mofo.

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                  • #10
                    Did you see what Mayweather did to Genaro Hernandez or to Chico Corrales? Or even to Arturo Gatti?

                    He seemed to punch very well in his younger days but has gotten away from it for whatever reason as he has gone up in weight.

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