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  • #21
    Originally posted by New England View Post
    of course. boxers and heavybags are different things.
    Surely not if the result is to compare technique.

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    • #22
      Evander Holyfield's left hook wasnt bad.

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      • #23
        big men:

        quarry
        morrison
        tua
        ruddock
        tyson

        those five could freaking BOMB!

        and my favorite:
        frazier

        bigger hooks don't always mean better hooks.


        weight classes:
        robinson
        roy jones
        trinidad
        olivares
        duran
        chavez

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        • #24
          Originally posted by TIMELESS View Post
          With all due respect, who's that against? Smokin' Joe was doing it against Ali and Co!
          It took frazier how many left hooks and 15 rnds to drop Ali ,and partly because Ali was on weaker legs at that point,Tysons left was more compact and powerful he has way more impressive k.os than Frazier with less hooks thrown .Frazier may get more credit because that was his "A"punch ,Tyson had a full arsenal .If we are going on pure effectiveness and consistency Tyson and Morrison ,hands down are the top two.
          Last edited by juggernaut666; 05-20-2015, 10:09 AM.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by juggernaut666 View Post
            It took frazier how many left hooks and 15 rnds to drop Ali ,and partly because Ali was on weaker legs at that point,Tysons left was more compact and powerful he has way more impressive k.os than Frazier with less hooks thrown .Frazier may get more credit because that was his "A"punch ,Tyson had a full arsenal .If we are going on pure effectiveness and consistency Tyson and Morrison ,hands down are the top two.


            ali has one of the best chins ever at HW, and in '71 he still had a good amount of life left in his legs and reflexes.

            tyson's competition, particularly when he was in his prime and kncoking everybody out spectacularly, wasn't on the level of frazier's.

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            • #26
              Tyson was obviously more powerful than Frazier.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by New England View Post
                ali has one of the best chins ever at HW, and in '71 he still had a good amount of life left in his legs and reflexes.

                tyson's competition, particularly when he was in his prime and kncoking everybody out spectacularly, wasn't on the level of frazier's.
                Well who did Frazier k.o that Tyson couldn't ? Ali would not last long with Tysons hooks i dont care if he had a steel chin ,Ali was stronger in the early 70's but Tyson landing continuos hooks on Ali and it going long to me is not practical ,its not just power its the delivery that counts ,Tyson didnt have to plant down and set like Frazier he could throw it on the fly from any angle and set it up much better than Frazier could ,as you had to worry about his right hook and upper cut as well,once underneath you didnt know if he was going up or down stairs or from what side.Looking at both records i would say Tyson fighting the 6'3 and plus guys who moved around and boxed compared to the Chuvalos and Quarries who stayed directly in front of you was more impressive .
                Last edited by juggernaut666; 05-20-2015, 10:51 AM.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by juggernaut666 View Post
                  Well who did Frazier k.o that Tyson couldn't ? Ali would not last long with Tysons hooks i dont care if he had a steel chin ,Ali was stronger in the early 70's but Tyson landing continuos hooks on Ali and it going long to me is not practical ,its not just power its the delivery that counts ,Tyson didnt have to plant down and set like Frazier he could throw it on the fly from any angle and set it up much better than Frazier could ,as you had to worry about his right hook and upper cut as well,once underneath you didnt know if he was going up or down stairs or from what side.Looking at both records i would say Tyson fighting the 6'3 and plus guys who moved around and boxed compared to the Chuvalos and Quarries who stayed directly in front of you was more impressive .
                  What a load of ****ing rubbish you talk...Frazier broke Chuvalo's eye-socket with a left hook, he smashed Quarry to pieces with his left hook. Frazier physically destroyed Muhammad Ali with his left hook in Mamilla... and here is you talking ****ing Tommy Morrison, who beat no ****er ffs.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by juggernaut666 View Post
                    Well who did Frazier k.o that Tyson couldn't ? Ali would not last long with Tysons hooks i dont care if he had a steel chin ,Ali was stronger in the early 70's but Tyson landing continuos hooks on Ali and it going long to me is not practical ,its not just power its the delivery that counts ,Tyson didnt have to plant down and set like Frazier he could throw it on the fly from any angle and set it up much better than Frazier could ,as you had to worry about his right hook and upper cut as well,once underneath you didnt know if he was going up or down stairs or from what side.Looking at both records i would say Tyson fighting the 6'3 and plus guys who moved around and boxed compared to the Chuvalos and Quarries who stayed directly in front of you was more impressive .
                    What a load of ****ing rubbish you talk...Frazier broke Chuvalo's eye-socket with a left hook, he smashed Quarry to pieces with his left hook. Frazier physically destroyed Muhammad Ali with his left hook in Manilla... and here is you talking ****ing Tommy Morrison, who beat no ****er ffs.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Tom Cruise View Post
                      Evander Holyfield's left hook wasnt bad.
                      Certainly not. Dropped Mercer, Bowe,Tyson and he had Lewis on rollerskates with the left hook.

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